Cecil Lee

Dear Lysa, 1. As a `beginner' to Feng Shui, I suggest you take your time to `digest' all the various forms of Feng Shui. 2.The main consideration is that most of the time, most of us do not really need Feng Shui to enhance our lives (contrary to what some may think). 3. Some of the questions one can ask if one really (or desperately need Feng Shui is):- For self: 3.1. Does one or a family member falls sick often? 3.2. Does accidents or misfortune occur? Usually, if the answer is No for both 3.1 and 3.2, one do not really need Feng Shui. As these are no longer `life threatening' situations and if one can live without Feng Shui for so long, why not live without it. Many Feng Shui concepts are based on commonsense approach and usually, our `sixth' sense are equally good. For example, there are so many people in the world where the find a nice house, live and prospher i.e. good health, good family, good occupation. For business: 3.3 Is my business doing well or fair badly when compared to other business in the same industry. If the business fair badly when compared to other business in the same industry, then this is a candiate for Feng Shui to help improve the situation. 4. The reason for not using Feng Shui for some of us has been mentioned in a few recent forum messages. This is based on the concept under Pillars of Destiny where, some of us are blessed and literally handed a sliver spoon while others no matter what `Feng Shui' we do lead normal lifes. The distinction here is that our lives are normal but NON-death threatening. Thus Feng Shui may not be needed here. Thus one should spent more positive time doing something rather than pin our hopes on `Feng Shui'. In fact, many people live an enriched life doing something they love. For example, resulting from a hobby etc... 5. More importanly, if you have a studio apartment, do keep it tidy and less clutter. Other than this, as mentioned above, do take your time to `learn' more of what is more relevant to many people. 6. Not all Feng Shui theories can work for everyone. But do try those that can work for most people. This is the most sensible approach to Feng Shui. 7. Remember to `question' the purpose of each concept or theory, its advantages and disadvantages. This will go a long way to the proper use of Feng Shui. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, As the protusion is a wooden cabinet, and acts like a overhead beam, you can try to use big metal `6 coins' tied together with a red string and stick it below the cabinet (less obstrusive) from view. However, if the cabinet is made of metal, fire element would be needed. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Kevin, 1. Under Feng Shui, the advise would still to have a frontage facing the street. However, the frontage can have a main door but opens inwards towards the `balcony' area. (Where possible the main door should not be in the line of sight of the balcony or back view. Thus one can still position the living room area towards the `back' of the house. Please see below:- This is usually not the norm. But at least if the main door is available this side of the house, it can usually open towards the living room facing the good view. However, you may need to be careful of the placement of the toilet. Best to have one side share an external wall. Avoid having the toilet next to the main entrance door or above the door. For example, see if the toilet can be placed on the side. Frankly, this would break the tenant of Feng Shui unless the plot of land is large and there is a driveway thru it. Here, if there is a water position, the house can surround it e.g. `L shaped' As I mentioned earlier the easiest for the house to conform to Feng Shui is to make the back side the living room area. Warmest Regards, Cecil

If you need to unwind or once awhile, find something `entertaining' on "Feng Shui" do log on to the only newsgroup on Feng Shui. Point your newsgroup reader to: alt.chinese.fengshui I find it quite amusing, just for relaxation when I occassionally need to `unwind' or for a good laugh:) Unfortunately, there is too much Sha Qi from it. So, do so once a while! Sad to say, the newsgroup has gone to the dogs, entertainers and actors. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, I totally agree with Kam's comments. You have little to worry about it. One day, I will relate about the Japanese `coffin' worship. A very disasterous kind of worship. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Overall, one of the purpose of the Pillars of Destiny is to find out generally are we blessed? Enjoy good life or are we destined to lead an average life or worse a "dog's" life. Some of us forgot that `wealth' does not necessarily mean money. For those who are blessed with money, will no matter how, enjoy wealth. The Limiting Factor (c) Cecil Lee For those of us who are "just average" and need to work to survive or work hard should accept the fact. If one looks at the Pillars of Destiny, majority of us fall under an average life. So no matter how much we try to chase after wealth (money) it is elusive. Is it worth it to go on forever chasing the `elusive' wealth right to our death bed or do you want to do something to change your life instead. If one has proper savings and save for the rainy days and enjoy other `pleasures' in life, isn't this better? (Assuming that one does not have Feng Shui problems that need to be corrected). Hope each of us can ponder over what is mentioned here:) Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, 1. Overall, if one is especially falling sick, is a candidate to use the Flying Star to check if one is affected by any imbalance at the sector especially the Sickness star 2 or star 5 or any other imbalances within that sector. 2. For career advancement, one may need to do a more indepth analysis. But this may require a range of analysis from the use of Pillars (to have a peek at one's heaven chart to see what is one's life like). This will more or less tell if one is either blessed with a silver spoon or average to even below average life. 3. For the home, do try to use the: 3.1 Shapes and Form, check to see especially poison arrows. And Four symbolic animals. 3.2 Eight house to check how suitable the house is to the person and the sleeping sector. Do take note that Feng shui is really meant to properly applied to eliminate or reduce sha qi. Please see below:- Frankly, in the office environment, unlike the home, it is difficult to place `cures' as it would be visible to the `public'. Generally, these should not have any effect. Where possible, keep the desk clutter free or neutral. Check your Eight House to see if you can sit facing a good direction or the sector is a good location for you. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Lakmun, 1. For a preliminary analysis, you can generate a free Eight House report at www.geomancy-online.com 2. The other alternative is to look up and get the services of a Feng Shui practitioner, to conduct a `worry' free audit. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, This would depend on the country and the level of experience of those who practise `black magic'. Usually involves sacrifice e.g. animals such as chicken etc.. In the past, it is prevalent especially in Indonesia and Thailand. But nowadays, especially in countries like Singapore, many are `ineffective' or harmless as they most likely are con artists out to extract money from the innocent. If your personal beliefs are strong, it should pose any problems. Personally, don't worry about it. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Sunny, I have covered the `topic' plants in an earlier message. The main consideration is if one is really a plant lover, why not have plants in the house and even outside the bathroom. Bear in mind that one should not trip over it in darkness. And if one's house is large. Plants need care e.g. water and occassional sunlight. One must be prepared to bring them out for sunlight once a while (if they need sunlight). Is just like keeping a pet. If one is a pet lover, would take great pains to look after it (with or without monetary rewards consideration). But if one places a plant in the hope that wealth is accumulated. Or neglect the plants. Is this logical? Whatever we do, we must do it with `passion.' Take for example this forum. I always love to re-edit the topic headers if it is too short or the topic header does not give a proper description. To me the forum becomes a passion of love, to see the resources growing. You must really love what you are doing to reap rewards i.e. satisfaction to see it grow. If one does things in the hope of getting rewards, but later none came, isn't this worse off? So, whatever we want to do or decorate our homes, it is to make a personal statement. Never do things that others `tell' you. This changes it totally. Love what you do. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, 1. Before the `globalisation' of Feng Shui, Hong Kong Feng Shui Masters tend to advise on the use of fish tanks to neutralise Sha Qi. For example, if there there is a lone lamp post outside the window, they would advise their clients to place a fish tank (in a broad sense, water element) to neutralise the lone lamp post. 2. Taiwan Feng Shui Masters usually advise the use of plants. So in the `past', the advice coming from a FS Master from Taiwan would be `different' from Hong Kong. If you were to ask a FS Master from Taiwan, your answer would be `Yes' it is ok to place plants in the home. 3. Like taking food, it is best to moderate and not over eat. You have to ask yourself the question from your heart. If you are truly a plant lover, it is really fine to have plants inside the house. But not a jungle. 4. The question I asked is that if you place a plant, make sure, you water it and really take care of it. Here, a plant lover would instinctively do. But if one merely thinks that plants are a means to improve wealth, it no longer becomes an `interest' in taking care of the plant but, if I can say a reluctance to take care unless one has the time. In no time, the plant would die. 5. This is the same questioned asked by some Feng Shui practitioners of users keeping fish. What happens if the fish dies? Is pouring water away (same as pouring away wealth or gold?). 6. In the past, before, Fast Food Feng Shui or one knowing too much or too much without a purpose. What happened was that a Feng Shui Master evaluated a land. Once the house was built, under an auspicious time etc... He is paid and one carries on with their life `fruitfully' focusing on our personal goals. Not look at `petty' things or situations. Unfortunately, under Pillars of Destiny, some of us have better fate than others. Some people, prospher and prospher and lead a good life but others have to slog and slog. This is one component we must remember. Thus no matter how much one tries to `enrich' oursleves if our fate is one who needs to work hard for a living, no matter how excellent our Feng Shui, it is my opinion, you need to work really hard or for some near impossible to get rich. But lead a simple but fruitful life. The Pillars of Destiny reflects thisi.e. those born with a silver lining, average life or one born to work very hard. So why chase after the elusive wealth. Life is short. `Wealth' can be other forms like happiness, family etc... Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, It is `reserved' for members who have a religion or have statutes of `gods' or `deities'. For example, the Fu Lu Shou figurines should not:- 1. Directly face a toilet 2. On the same wall as the toilet. 3. Placed inside a bedroom. The chief consideration here is to give utmost `respect' to these "gods". In a bedroom is like changing clothes in full view of the `gods'. So far, I do not see the same rationale for applying auspicious symbols. However, I have yet to see anyone pasting an auspicious symbol inside the toilet door or facing a toilet bowl. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, This area has more to do with beliefs by some people or from advise provided by practitioners. The rationale for some people who do not view roosters is that: Roosters seems `picky' or combative. Quite often some get hold of two roosters to fight and wager on bets. And some consider the characteristics of roosters as `sharp' tongued. Thus, due to this symbolism, roosters (symbols) are considered not favourable in the home. As I mentioned, this area has more to do with beliefs than Feng Shui. Personally, I find placing a rooster figurine no harm. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, Let me explain: Usually the main concern is the main entrance door or a window. A good example is Evelyn Lip's story in one of her books Geomancy. She wrote that the owners of a house faced calamity and even a FS Master could not find the problem. Only at a later stage where the Master stood at the door and looked out (during low tide) and saw a profile or figurine that looks like a toad or frog with its mouth opened facing the house. Here, he placed some objects to symbolically represent flies to mean that the mouth is full. From what we can learn here is to avoid letting objects with open mouth e.g. face the main door if we can. It is better to take the precaution even if it is facing outwards of the house. Other than this, one can still place open mouth objects but just becareful. If one finds problems after that, quickly remove the `offending' object. Thus it is borne out of precaution than anything else. For some of us who feel that this may be more of a belief, do not heed this message. We have to monitor this as few people place open mouth objects and thus not sure how effective or bad it is. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, More importantly, the purpose is to correct any odd shaped room to be a square or rectangle room. As square and rectangle are considered the best shape rather than a room with odd corners. Frankly, the issue of whether it is a separate room is less important or really not a issue. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Daniel, The key ingredient to the shop is the store-front. Pay more attention to the frontage of the fruit shop. As you did not mention the type of store, e.g. one at a Government Housing Block or an upmarket store. If it is at a Housing block, check the demography e.g. is it a new or old housing estate. The best trend is to have an inviting front e.g. open area at the front to display and extend the fruits out to the corridor (if this is permitted). As fruits themselves are colourful and bright, do remember to keep the store clean and bright e.g. white walls. Wishing you sucess in your venture! Warmets Regards, Cecil

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Dear Carina, Please see below:- This is classified under the Eight House Theory. Under the Eight House Theory, there are four good and four bad sectors. The key essence of the Eight house is: 1. How suitable the house is to the person. Here, you can have excellent Flying Star but it need not necessary mean that it is the most suitable house to the person. 2. Best to sleep in a good sector i.e. bedroom is at a good sector. Here, since we sleep more than 6 or more hours, it is best to sleep in a good sector. 3. Other uses include sitting or facing a good direction. This is secondary to Para 1 and 2. Many of us would love to `squeeze' more out of every conceivable `theory'. If the `terms' of reference is based on Para 1, 2 and 3, I cannot really imagine how are we going to make or (imagine) extracting more out of the theory? If the toilet is at the `health' sector, it simply means that if you spent more time at a location of `health' influence the better. But wait, does this mean one must find an excuse to stay or live in the bath tub? Is this logical. And many of us thing that everything has to do with Feng Shui. Is this being fair to FS? This has more to do with beliefs than Feng Shui. For example, some people find it taboo to walk under a ladder. (One logical reason is that something on top of it may fall down e.g. a bucket of paint) and spill over the person. This one can be considered under Shapes and Form. Where possible, try best not to clutter the main entrance door area. As the main door is considered the `mouth' of the house. This depends on the colours and thus could affect the element of the sector. Feng Shui is about the balance of the five elements or at a higher level the Yin and yang concept. If one talks about an element e.g. a triangle pyramid, it represents the fire element if we consider the form. We then see whether, e.g. under the Flying Star whether that sector is in balance or `out of balance' e.g. need to use metal to control earth (if the element is bad strong earth). Para 4 and 5 are secondary and it is best to get the basics right. Feng Shui is not or cannot become a taboo. If one has good Shapes and Form Feng Shui to begin with and relatively good Flying Star, one need not do more than that. It is just like a CEO of a huge company, signing petty bills. He should delegate such things to his subordinate and pay more attention to important matters. There are more important things in life (life is so short) to pay attention to petty or `peanuts'. As mentioned in para 1 and 2. The `terms of reference' of the Eight House is based on good sectors. If one uses other concepts e.g. Eight Associations/Aspirations or worse still using Black Hat Sect fixed template, imagine if everyone think the same way and try to boost their career path (not sure how did you deduce that it is at the south), would it work? We have to be sensible in our approach in the use of Feng Shui. And it is certainly not a `cure all'. The comments are not `aimed' you but I hope to be able to give a perspective that one must know the purpose behind each Feng Shui concept and use them based on their terms of reference. If it is a belief, be it a Chinese or other religious belief, it is not fair to pin-point it to Feng Shui. Currently, many practitioners consider the Flying Star Theory the `most powerful' theory because it relates closely to the Five elements. Here, the base star plus the mountain and water stars are analysed in total per sector. Each of these stars are themselves an element. Therefore, if there is a bad earth at the sector and it is aided by another element that aids it, Feng Shui practitioners would recommend anothe element to neutralise it. It is by looking at the relationship of elements at each sector is what real `cures' are about. If it cannot be related to the five elements or at a higher level yin and yang, it is hard to give advise. This is why each of us have our true element and strength e.g. weak fire person. All these are factored in to look at a person and his interaction with the environment. Not something out of `thin' air. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, Generally, if one does not want to go further into `Professional Feng Shui' e.g. using the Flying Star to analyse the birth chart of the house: 1. The Main Entrance Door & windows at the frontage of the house The Main Entrance Door is the most important door to be `protected' from poison arrows. Where possible, the edge of a building should not be aimed at the main entrance door. The best `test' is to stand at the main entrance and take alook at the area. There should not be a lone lamp post slicing thru the main door (like a knife slicing through butter) i.e. tangent to it or perpendicular to it. You should also stand inside the house looking out of the window. Similiarly, there should not be any poison arrows aimed at the windows. 2. If you have two doors in the home, do analyse both doors in relation to the Eight House. Here, check what intangible force is influencing the sector of the door. If the `death or disaster' intangible force is at the main entrance, this is considered the most unsuitable house (especially for the breadwinner). What this means is that if the house has good or excellent Flying Star, which implies that the birth chart of the house is good. But the house is `average' or unsuitable for the individual. One way of viewing it is that this house would not generate great `wealth' but one live day-by-day or normally. This is why some people resort to tilting their main door to face an auspicious sector or to avoid the NE (devil's gate) or SW (devil's backdoor). Please see below:- Contrary to popular belief, a hospital has lots of activity. If it is a common corridor, you can see a flurry of people moving along it. If one notice, the hospital corridors are bright. It is in the bedroom where rest is encouraged that the rooms are `kept' quiet. One should not have a `negative' feelings staying in an apartment in the hospital. The only `worry' is to avoid staying close to the mortuary. Other than that, in my opinion, this should not pose any problems. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, 1. It is my advise that if your family face so much problems and if they are not staying together but separate: 2. It is acceptable to exhume the grave but: 2.1 This has to be done by experienced grave diggers. I have a very short writeup at http://www.geomancy.net/fs/exhume.htm 2.2. Usually, once exhumed, it is best to cremate the bones. 2.3. Cremation is considered neutral and will accordingly, will not affect the `decendants'. A place can be found at a crematorium to house the ashes of the dead. Alternatively, the ashes can be dispersed into the sea. This is done by many cultures and symbollically, your grandmother can be close to your grandfather as the sea connects all lands. Perhaps, if the decendants are facing lots of difficulties, para 2.3 can be considered and it is not necessary to re-bury your grandmother with your grandfather. --- This is not Feng Shui --- 3. There are cases where some corpses did not disintegrate and the whole body was still intact. Usually, this is bad for the decendants. I understand that it is worse still are the display glass has been splintered onto the face of the deceased. After 30 years, the body should have turned to ashes. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, 1. The true essence of Feng Shui is to: - correct any imbalances or sha qi/poison arrows. - enhance beneifical Qi. If one looks at the above carefully, there is a distinction between enhancing Qi and `beliefs' Chinese or otherwise. 2. We commonly hear that a rabbit's foot is `lucky' or hanging a horseshoe is `lucky'. 3. Since what you have mentioned do not directly relate to the `terms of reference' under Feng Shui, it is anybody's guess that any if all beliefs will work. Sometimes it is psychological. Which may result in one thinking positive and thus contribute to `luck'. 4. As the action e.g. is not tailored to an individual, one cannot say for sure that it will work for everyone. As I have given an example, of a person enhancing his/her romance corner. If every suitor does that, is he/she going to finally marry the person they want? A very simple case if how many of us want to try it out and see if it works for anyone. 5. However, statistically, if 1 person place the coin in his order book and gets a win fall, does it mean that 100,000 persons placing it in their order book will achieve the same results. I believe the odds are against this. To be fair, many people should try and see if it really works for them. 6. Another way of looking at it is, if it is a small object, and if it does not cost much, what is the harm of following every other beliefs. 7. As I mentioned earlier, one should not be `mistaken' that these advices are " Feng Shui " they are not. But rather, beliefs be it a Chinese, or other cultural beliefs. 8. One must remember that Feng Shui is actually both an art and a science at looking at a landscape e.g. at a macro level, planning an entire city to mico level, evaluating a site or land. 9. In the past the closest it get to a home audit was based on the 9 Palaces where the Emperor uses different rooms depending on different period of the year. This is the forerunner of home audits e.g. using the `Ba Gua forumula' or trigram. One thus has to deferentiate between what is Feng Shui and what is not. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Monique, 1. It is always good to begin a home audit by doing observations to locate any Sha Qi or poison arrows, first. 1.1. Some important things to note include, any `threats' to the maindoor, through any of the windows 1.2. location of the toilets, 1.3. whether Qi enters the house and exits immediately (straight path - bad) Besides the above, do a full Shapes and Form audit of each of your rooms (where possible) looking at the position of the bedrooms etc.. (There are many traditional books on Shapes and Form or read the resources under: http://www.geomancy.net/fs/site.htm ) 2. Most of the time, if the above is done and if the house has relatively (few problems) as analysed using the Flying Star, half or greater part of the battle has been `won'. 3. The next useful analysis is to use the Eight House Theory to find how suitable is the person (breadwinner) to the house. For example if the death/disaster intangible falls at the main door, this is the least suitable house. However, you should also check what influence is affecting the bedroom where one sleeps. Please see below:- It is best to use the Flying Star to analysis. But if you do not want to go further than that, then use your own feelings. But do not do so because you read somewhere. Usually when one uses his/her feelings, it is because one feels nice or `happy' about it. Frankly, if one practises proper Feng Shui, it is best to first, get the `basics' right e.g. as mentioned under Para 1 and 2 and using other `sound' principles. Proper Feng Shui does not mean that one has to spent money in order to reap rewards. Worse, if done too much, may cause an imbalance at a particular sector. It is similar to a case of over-eating or over-indulgence. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, 1. I always like to "caution" everyone to accept information on a `total basis' and not on a piecemeal basis. What this means is that if one reads a book and follow the `method' used to derive the result, try to follow the method used `totally'. 2. It is not wrong for the practitioner to say that `sitting' should be the location to determine the front door. This is because, based on the original or traditional method, under the Eight House, if the sitting position is South-East, this house is considered a `South-East' house. Where else, if you take the `method' used under this site e.g. http://www.geomancy.net/fs/house1.htm Here, when we say a South-East house, it means that the main door is at the South-East (i.e. when u stand at the centrepoint of the house, and use the ordinary compass to check, the main door is at the South-East). 3. So which is right or wrong? As mentioned under Para 1, there is no wrong answers. Both methods if used correctly, will come to the same conclusions especially if the template used are similiar. 4. We must remember that under the `first' method based on the `sitting' position, this is usually done (sometimes) with a Luo pan or Chinese compass where there is a sitting and facing position. 5. However, I believe, practitioners must keep up with times. The reason why, I `devised' method used under http://www.geomancy.net/fs/house1.htm is to cater to those who use an ordinary compass and this model has been "copied" by several book authors and now becomes a defacto method. 6. If you have used the method first devised by me and posted on the website, it is simply the ease of use and one do not need to remember either a formula etc... This method has thus stood the test of time as it remains unchanged till today. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Sandi, Thanks for your New Year wishes. In general, there are three levels of analysis:- 1. Shapes and Form School 1.1. For the main door, check that there is no poison arrows aimed at the door or through the windows. To look out for: - edges of buildings aimed at the main door or window. (Here, you need to stand at the main door entrance facing out of the house. Similiarly stand inside the house looking out of the windows). - check that there is no lone or single lampost e.g. slicing into the house. 1.2. Position of toilets - where possible the toilet is not at the centre of the house, next to the main door etc.. - avoid having the bed rest on the same wall as the toilet. 1.3. There are more shapes and form to look at. 1.4. Is there missing corners in the house? 1.5. What is at the centrepoint of the house? 2. The Eight House Theory: How suitable are you to the house? 2.1 What is the intangible force at the main entrance and especially the bedroom? If you have `done' what you can under Para 1 and 2 and still face problems, it is recommended that you may need to do a more detailed anlaysis under Para 3. 3. More indepth analysis is the use of the Flying Star Analysis (to look at the birth chart of the house). To check for imbalances and neutralise them. It is best to do the initial check under Para 1 to 2. (Under Para 1, you should at least have some knowledge of the concepts of the Shapes and Form i.e. the site, the home and the interior of the home. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Anon, 1. It is difficult to look at Feng Shui from a micro view-point. This is often the `misconception' in Feng Shui. 2. If you are new to Feng Shui, it is best to consult a competent Feng Shui consultant to look at the site and advice on the layout of the interior of the house. 3. This is where the first `phase' is to look at the Shapes and Form School of the house i.e. the environment, the site and the plot of land. Here, this would help to identify, the frontage of the house, the position of the main door, any poison arrows and the back of the house. 4. You can further use the free tools available on the site e.g. the Eight House Chart to see which are the best directions for each person. What you should look at is: a. For the breadwinner(s), What "intangible force: e.g. death? disaster? health? is affecting them at the main door. What is the intangible force at their bedroom. b. For the rest of the family, What is the intangible force affecting them in their bedroom. 5. There are more Feng Shui theories e.g. Flying Star (to analyse the birth chart) and Pillars of Destiny (to further fine tune). As your `terms' of reference relates to finding the best directions, you can use the Eight House Theory and see how best each family members `fit' in the rooms. Bearing in mind, Shapes and Form School techniques: 1. avoid bad locations for the toilet (where possible it should have one exterior wall) this implies that it no longer can be at the centre of the house. For the toilet, it should not be at the frontage of the house or next to , or above the main door. 2. have a clear space a the centrepoint of the house. 3. where possible the stairs leading towards upstairs of the house should not be in full view of the main entrance door. It is best to have a turning or landing. There are more shapes and form as the above list is not exhaustive. Warmest Regards, Cecil