Cecil Lee

Dear Anil, 1. For the sector, if it is out of balance, then #5 and #2 should be cured. Before this, it is looking at the three Mountain #, Water # and Base # together. 2. Applying the concept of " If one cannot see it; it no longer becomes a threat ". In such a situation, you may want to use e.g. day curtain to solve the problem. But if you prefer to open the curtain; one good remedy is the use of Two forks: Please see the attached illustration below. (Note: for those who participate thru this forum using mailing list, you may have to log in to the forum to view this graphic as all attachments are not sent thru the mailing list option.) On your window sill, you can place two forks aimed at your neighbour's `offending' spiral staircase to control it. In the illustration, it is called `Golden fork' but if you cannot find a gold or brass or nickel plated fork (ordinary desert fork) then use a stainless steel one. (Do not use any `cheap' plastic disposable fork. Note: the fork (metal) is used to control the spiral staircase and not to `destroy' it i.e. for those who look at the Destructive Cycle (ref: http://www.geomancy.net/resources/theories/fs-5element.htm ) Fire is the element that destroys metal. But, do not paint the spoon red in this case. The pointed edge of the two forks (will help) to stabalise the circular staircase. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Ben, Yes, you are being very pratical in the approach i.e. when applying the Grand Duke Theory, apply it when doing minor renovations. I do agree with you that if one is doing a major renovation, it can still be done. However, it is preferred that: 1. all members of the family move out of the house Many Chinese: 2. choose an auspicious date for the start of the renovation and also once the renovation is completed, choose another good date to `move in' again. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Wasis, 1. You asked a very interesting question. 2. For those who have studied Management subjects: the term " Situational Approach " or " It Depends ". What this means is that it is felt that not two cases are the same. We have to depend on the situation and each situation may vary. Please see below:- To cure #5, #2, #4 and #5; the MOST EFFECTIVE cure is BIG METAL. For #5, (STRONG METAL) it is a " bad, bad boy" and the best cure is to use a 6 rod, metal windchime. For #3, (STRONG WOOD) it is also highly recommended to use the constant chime 6 rod wind chime (symbolically) to `hammer' it like akin to constantly smashing it. Similarily, moving metal such as 6 rod metal wind chime or the `tick-tock' of a brass grand father clock does the "trick". Caution Here!: For those who want to go and use a Grand father clock. Do not go out and buy those " cheap " imitation clocks which has e.g. a plastic pendulum (sprayed painted in gold or metallic gold colour). What makes it `tick' and act as a "constant hammer" is the real metal e.g. brass moving parts. For #4 or #2, it is still important to use BIG METAL. But this BIG METAL SHOULD not be moving as: Certain #2 needs "quietness" to cure else, one may be inviting law suits or quarrels etc.. The rationale for using Big Metal (not moving) for #4 and #2 is that Big metal, is needed to "neutralise" them. But after they have been "neutralise" them, since you have already conquered #4, #2; why continue to conquer them. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Wendy, 1. In my opinion, it is too general to say that since the door is at SW, we should paint it according to the colour. 2. In THEORY or technically speaking, you can do that. 3. But the question here is what do one try to achieve? 4. In many questions asked, Thank God!, that nowadays, many users no longer ask me this one line question like: Where is my wealth sector? Which I do not reply to at all. 5. This is very relevant to the above question. If we use the Five Elements concept to explain wealth. 6. Under the Five Elements concept, wealth is created using the Destructive Cycle:- Reference: http://www.geomancy.net/resources/theories/fs-5element.htm Where under the destructive sequence, Earth (SW) should use Water instead to produce wealth. CAUTION: This is a general statement and one should not read this and quickly go out and buy a can of blue paint. It has to be related to one's Ba Zi eg. one's personal element and strength also and the surrounding! I 7. Another example is that since Singapore is generally located in the South of Singapore; and since south is represented by the Fire element, if we cannot find a colour or not sure which colour to paint; we should instead paint our main door White. Why use the colour " White ". The rationale is because, if we look at the destructive sequence; White = Metal element. 8. To produce WEALTH, a South (Fire) element can take advantage of METAL. Where Fire is used to destroy METAL to create wealth. 9. In my opinon, it is more important for the colour of the entire door, first. The gate is secondary. 10. For your question on a 5 rod, metal wind chime, please refer to (today's message: under this same conference: Free Advice (General Topics) - my reply to "The use of Wood chime. 11. I know that everyone wants to enhance themselves but the caution is " a too little knowlege is a dangerous thing! ". Authentic Feng Shui, takes much effort, and involves looking at Ba Zi, Compass Schools and a whole lot of analysis. Let's not play with Fast Food Feng shui. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear All, 1. I have often been asked the question: My new home/apartment was built on land that was used to be a burial site. Is this inauspicious? In my opinion, I would say " It depends ". Here are some of my thoughts on this: a. If you are staying in Singapore; in the past, many of the sites chosen for burial of loved ones are the choicest sites in Singapore! Here, there is an inherent belief that when one bury's one's ancestors in good sites; it will bring forth goodluck to the decendants of the dead. b. If you are staying in any other country which has Chinese cemeteries, most likely it has been feng shuied many (many years) back and these sites should be excellent Feng Shui sites. c. In Singapore, such sites are like the land opposite Tangs Shopping Centre. By the way this building uses the Castle Gate concept for its Feng Shui. At a high point it was very successful. As the owners were Christians, in the past, they do not even open on Sundays. But for those who are staying in Singapore, look what it is today! Having to open on Sundays and desparately trying to keep its bottom line. One day, I let you know why, this has changed. Clue: It has to do with other new building(s) that " clash " with it under the Five Elements Concept. Sorry, for the side track, other excellent sites such as Bishan, has now one of the most expensive " Housing Development Board " flat resale values also. This land was also formerly a burial grown. d. However, in order for the land to be auspicious for future use; the exhumation has to be done `correctly' and also no single grave must not be left behind the land. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Dear Donna, Apologise, but if you can provide a rough sketch which includes: 1. Location of : main gate; from the gate to the main entrance. Or photo (nice to have) 2. Where is the main door and a sketch of the outline of the house and what is on each side and back of the house. I hope u can understand that no two homes may be similar and I personally feel, the more the detail provided, the better it is to have a better understanding of your situation. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Dear Kieren, Thanks for bring up this interesting question. 1. In traditional Feng Shui cures, what is used instead is a 6 hollow rod, metal wind chime. For example which is made of brass. 2. Therefore, it would not be correct to use a 5 rod metal wind chime. 3. This can simply be explained (applying) the Five Elements Concept: 3.1 In the case of a 5 rod metal wind chime, this is not the correct type of wind chime to use (if we had located a #5 or #5 yellow). Since the number 5 is already representing the earth element. 5 representing Earth should not be used to neutralise earth. It is like throwing earth to earth or "ashes to ashes." 3.2 The appropriate cure then is to use 6 rod metal wind chimes. Here the number 6 represents = Big Metal Where Metal (Big) is used to destroy 5 Yellow or 3 killings. This is the effective cure. 4. Why then should we not introduce a 5 rod Wood chime is not appropriate. This is because 5 again represents Earth element. 5. If we intent or insists on using Wood chime than, in theory, we should use a 3 rod Wood chime. 6. Where the number 3 refers to Big Wood. Here, in theory Big Wood should be used instead. 7. However, if one appreciates Flying Star Feng Shui; #3 is not exactly an auspicious star. 8. And chances are, introducing such a wind chime may cause or aggrevate the situation further. 9. In fact, many times, sectors or several sectors may have problems relating to #3. Therefore, the probability is pretty high or rather a high coincidence of aggrevating the situation. Contrast this with a Metal cure. While a metal cure #7 is too small (where #7 = small metal). Big Metal - or 6 metal is the BEST cure as it is considered as " The Mother of all cures ". Don't be mistaken that I am glorying metal but, if one knows Flying Star, it is the element to cure: Bad Earth #5, #2 and Bad Wood #3 and #4. 10. My serious concern is that in a Flying Star chart, it would be `littered' with #3 and #4 in various sectors. Worse still if unfortuantely, it is concentrated at one sector such as #3 #4 #3 11. And one uses a 3 rod Wind Chime (Big Wood), one would have a `hell of a nightmare'. Sometimes even into calamity or death occuring. Most of the good stars are metal stars, and if one properly enhances them with water, this would bring prosperity. In my opinion, (generally) we should not use YIN (still/unmoving) water. We should instead use more vibrant water positions. Therefore, for me, I am not in-favour of using still water. Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear All, The Tropica, Singapore Case Study of Applied Feng Shui in action at the Tropica Condominium. URL: http://www.geomancy.net/review/tropica/index.htm 1. The above condominium is a good example of macro Feng Shui. 2. Feng Shui is not just about our little `private' corner i.e. for those staying in an apartment; but rather the bigger picture also of the landscape, the site and the apartment blocks. 3. Some sites also take advantage of what we refer to as the beneficial effects of "negative ions" to our health. For example in the above case study, the water course at the frontage of this condominum project has a river that flows from auspiciously from west to east to Sungei Bedok. 4. The horseshoe effect is similar to YIN Feng Shui or Feng Shui for the dead where a burial grave is often shaped in a horseshoe where the back is elevated. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee by Cecil Lee, Centre for Applied Feng Shui Research, Geomany.net 14 October 2000

Dear Mina, 1. I hope I understand your question, correctly, if not please clarify again - Thanks. 2. For those who are born in 11 Feb, 1972, they are considered born under the period 15 Jan 1972 to 2 Feb 1973 which is the Year of the Water-Rat 3. Therefore, for those born on 11 Feb 1972, will be considered as having born in the Year of Water-Rat (1972). 4. Only those who were born say on 1 January 1972 to 14 January 1972 should not consider themselves as born in the " Year 1972 " for purposes of Gua (Kua) calculation but rather they should consider themselves as born in the " Year 1971 ". 5. Similarly, those who were born on 1 January 1973 to 1 February 1973, will be considered as born under the " Year 1972 ". 6. In the past, if a person `picks' up a book especially on Chinese Astrology, one may simply see the Year of Birth being quoted as reference material. 7. In such a situation, for those who are born in January or February of any year, should try and confirm whether they are considered as born under that year or the previous year. 8. If the book(s) has taken into consideration the start and end date of each (Lunar Year) than, one can safely say that their correct Year chart has been taken care of. 9. The rationale for this is that authentic Chinese calculations are always based on a common denominator i.e. the Lunar Calendar. This is the most accurate means of analysis. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Dear All, 1. What is the Castle Gate Theory? In my opinion, I consider this a `potent' form of Feng Shui. It is considered a theory on the `offensive'. 2. Description Basically, it is tilting a building (ideally) 45 degrees to the road or if this may not be possible; then, tilting the main door directions 45 degrees instead. As the word `Castle' suggests; it has also has water. Therefore in order for it work, water (not still water) is used here. Water at the frontage must be moving e.g. a fountain to activate the `castle' effect. 3. For those who are familar with Shapes and Form Feng Shui is that this type of `formation' can be potent because: 3.1. in such a situation, most likely if ever, the main entrance can (never) have sha qi such as a lone lamp post slicing into it. 3.2. The edge of the building itself becomes the Sha Qi of any other poor buildings `facing' it. As it's sharp edge now becomes a poison arrow for other buildings. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Dear Ben, 1. Yes, in the Year of the Horse (Water-Horse) which will be (soon) i.e. begining on 12 February 2002 (First Day of Chinese New Year) to to 31 Jan 2003. 2. On 12 February 2002 onwards till 31 Jan 2003, if one wants to do a renovation it is best to avoid both the compass direction North and South sectors. 3. Why South? It is considered that the planet Jupiter is at the South. (Jupiter is considered the largest planet in our solar system) and therefore, it is felt that it has the most magnetic force. The Grand Duke is actually (the planet Jupiter). 4. Since the Grand Duke or romanised Mandrain called " Tai Sui " is said to be at this location. 5. In such a situation, it is best not to `distrub' him during the Year of Horse. More importantly, do not paint (touch him) or `move earth' i.e. renovate (disturb) him from 12 Feb 2002 onwards until 31 January 2003. 6. Why North? This is based on the Chinese Astrology. 7. According to the Chinese Astrology and by looking at this graphic (attached: grandduke.gif ) you will find that the animal signs : HORSE and RAT are directly opposite each other. These two animal signs are directly inconflict. 8. In Chinese Astrology predictions, this is considered a bad year for those born in the Year of the Rat. Source: http://www.geomancy.net/resources/yearly-forecast/forecast-2002.htm 9. The rationale for the `clash' is because: 1. Horse is an animal sign that is the Fire element or SOUTH. 2. While RAT belongs to the Water element or NORTH. 10. This is a CLASH of Water and Fire element. Thus, it is best (strongly recommended) to delay renovation at NORTH and SOUTH in the Year of the Horse. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Date: 9 January 2001 Place: Hotel New Otani Singapore 1. We caught up with one of our past students: Mr Madan L. Seda who was on a holiday in Singapore with his wife. 2. Mr Madan is a Feng Shui Consultant in London, UK. He can be reached at http://www.Fengshui2000.co.uk 3. I found Mr Madan, to be very keen in his quest to find out more to keep himself updated with Feng Shui and other divinity practises. If you are in London or around London and need help, do contact him. I am sure, he will do his utmost best to help you. 4. Attached picture: From Left to Right: Robert Lee, Cecil Lee and Mr Madan (Picture available in the forum - not mailing list) We wish Mr & Mrs Madan and his family, All the Best! Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Dear Gerry, Thank you for raising a pertinent question, particularly for new users in this forum. 1. It is traditionally beneficial to comprehend why the Chinese utilize the compass with TOP representing the South and BOTTOM representing the North. 2. Upon closer examination, it is evident that China is situated in the Northern Hemisphere, where the majority of mountain ranges are located in the North. 3. For those who have visited Beijing, the capital of China, it is common to observe that many houses have their windows and main doors oriented towards the South. Furthermore, the absence of windows on the North side is attributed to the dusty storms of 'yellow' dust that sweep in from that direction. 4. You can explore the concept of the Four Symbolic Animals at the following link: http://www.geomancy.net/resources/theories/fs-four.htm 5. There, you will find an image depicting a 'tortoise' hill (North) and a Bird (South) - a South Facing House. (The Bird is actually a Phoenix.) Alternatively, you may click on the attachment included with this message (accessible only to those logged into the forum). Filename: bird.gif 6. At Geomancy.net, all our resources are grounded in the conventional compass, which aligns North with South. Given that the conventional compass is widely accessible globally, we have ensured that all our resources are applicable to users internationally who utilize the standard compass. 7. I believe that when utilizing any resources, it is essential to thoroughly read the entire material. For instance, if we are following a step-by-step guide from a book, we should adhere to the author's recommendations throughout. It would be unwise to read one book partially and then seek advice from another source, as no two methodologies may align. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Dear Sor Lan, 1. What you had mentioned is a popular practise by the Cantonese dialect group. This popularity is based on the belief as what you had mentioned; that a mirror used in the hope that it can reflect `double' the luck. 2. We can (on a less scientific level) base it on feelings. However, if one uses more scientific methods such as The Flying Star Fen g Shui, where one uses it to determine if a sector is auspicious or not. If it is inauspicious, then, it is strongly felt that one should not place a mirror at that sector or we may inadvertenly bounce back twice the bad luck. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Dear Anon Please see attached sketch for a better understanding of a poison arrow aimed at the main door. Apologies for the rough sketch. Just look at the concept. Here there are two issues: 1. the narrow corridor where the lift faces the main door. This is Sha Qi and can be cured with two plants placed strategically at the location. 2. I did not properly draw the angle at which the corridor aims at the main door but if it does it is a poison arrow. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Dear Anon, 1. If you have a sketch it would help greatly especially if some of the recent new Housing Flats that I had audited may have a narrow corridor leading to an `angled' house. However, please read further and if none of what I mentioned below applies, then, it may not be an issue here. For example, this house has it's door tilted facing the lift and the corridor railing points towards the main entrance door. In such a situation, then, this can be considered bad sha qi and should be corrected. 2. It also depends on the distance between the flat and the lift. The further the better. Normally, if your main door is parallel to the lift door and if you stand at the main door facing outwards; if there is no poison arrows in the form of: a. A single object e.g. lamp post visible slicing the road (for a low level flat e.g. 2nd level). or b. the corridor angled towards your door. If none of the above, then, you do not need to do any corrections. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Dear Anon, 1. The word "Hai" refers to the term " Water " 2. If it is a dragon, the word behind the sculpture should instead be " LONG " or dragon 3. For the word " SU " Chinese characters or words close to it. So, here, it can mean many things. What is the relationship of the Serpent and Dragon in Chinese beliefs? It is said that in Chinese folk lore, after 500 years of exisitence a SEA SERPENT transform and becomes a SCALY Dragon. Another transformation is after 1000 years when this SCALY Dragon becomes a horned Dragon. Again after another 1000 years, it becomes a Dragon with wings. In my opinion, your figure has this saying: "Encourage one to be diligent" *JOKE* Not sure, if this is an implication for you! When you next meet your family member - *JOKE* Do ask him/her - Are u trying to encourage me to be more hardworking? Huh? You can perhaps - tease your relative about it. But do remember ...Erh.. Don't EVER quote my name! *JOKE* This is like imitating the Serpent who is striving to become a Dragon! Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Susan, 1. If one asks quite alot of different FS practitioners, the chances are many will say it is a (NO NO) to have a mirror face the bed. A BELIEF: 2. The reason or (BELIEF) is that because, it was felt that when we sleep, our spirits "wonder-out" of our body and it may get a shock seeing one's self in the mirror. This is the rationale why many FS practitioners way say that it is bad for a mirror to face the bed. 3. It is interesting to note the survey results in this poll section: http://www.geomancy.net/poll/poll.pl In the above link; you can look thru the results for the following poll questions: a. If your TV set is facing the bed, do you cover the screen before you sleep? b. If you do not cover the TV sets, do you have sleep problems? It is interesting to note the above survey results: i. I feel that some of us are more sensitive than others. For example, some people (perhaps) after many years of taking chili pepper enjoy doing so and even tabasco source. But for others, they are sensitive to them. ii. Perhaps, due to the modern technology e.g. non-glare screens of the TV sets, many don't really see a reflection of the shadow or their rooms do not filter in e.g. moon light. 4. Mirror, Mirror on the Wall 4.1. Where possible, in my opinion, try not to let the mirror face any part of the bed if it is placed in the bedroom. 4.2. You may place the mirror on a dressing table. But do try to arrange the dressing table away from the bed. (away from facing the bed). 5. In Feng Shui, mirror(s) can be considered as a double edged sword. 6. Especially under the Flying Star Feng Shui. If it is placed a bad sector, it can inadvertanly bounce back TWICE the bad luck. Therefore, if you want to place it at the patio, perhaps, if one is not going to use tools like Flying Star; may use one's feelings. If you really find that it is `nice' to have it there then go ahead with it. 7. The Customer Service Engineer's Concept (C) Cecil Lee In the past, I saw how IBM customer service engineers service equipment. For example, if an equipment or hardware is given frequent problems; the customer engineer will open up the machine and since the parts are modular, he will only replace one part and wait for the `result'. If the problem persists, he would leave that card and take out another card and monitor again. Here, if one trys to do D.I.Y. (do it yourself) Feng Shui, this is the soundest approach to take! Unless, you are a qualified Feng Shui expert, then, this is normally not necessary. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee

Dear Anon, You can make use of the Free tools provided at http://www.geomancy-online.com Use the Eight House and eight house related tools to help. More importantly, when u use this theory, please follow the steps here:- http://www.geomancy.net/fs/house1.htm In your search of a new home using this theory, try to: 1. Find how suitable the house is to the breadwinner. The most unsuitable houses for the breadwinner is the `death' or `disaster' sector. 2. Next, do a Eight House chart for all family members and visualise i.e. look out what intangible forces are there for each family members and where they can stay. For example, for the husband and wife, check to see how the house is compared to other houses i.e. the intangible forces within this room for both of them. For other family members, check to see which room they can stay and how feasible for them to sleep closer to a good intangible force (bearing in mind - the need to place the beds) etc... Warmest Regards, Cecil

Dear Mina, 1. Yes, most likely your Date of Birth that you had used to calculate or determine your Gua (Kua) did not take into consideration the Lunar Calendar. 2. To confirm the calculation, you can visit this url and check the exact Date of Birth: http://www.geomancy.net/love/astro.htm 3. Although the above url is about astrology, simply use the date of birth `start' and `end' date of each Lunar year to confirm your manual calculations. 4. For example, after locating your Year of birth, you should be able to see something like: e.g. Date of Birth = 1970 is "17 Feb 1969 to 5 Feb 1970". 5. Where, a person born in 1970 under the Lunar Calendar is a person `born' between 17 February 1969 (first day of Lunar New Year or Chinese New Year for 1970) and 5 February 1970 is the last day of that year) 6. Therefore, for those (especially) born around January or February should take more `precaution' when finding what `animal signs' they are associated with. 7. East/West Group Persons This is also called Eight House Theory and belongs to one of the two Compass School Feng Shui. Eight House is more of a static representation unlike it's "sister" concept The Flying Star Feng Shui. 8. It is always advisable to try and understand the following for each of the authentic Feng Shui theories: 8.1. What is the usefulness of this theory? 8.2 What is it's strengths and weakness? Once we understand what it is; and what it can or cannot do, then we will have said to have a better understanding. And this would result in having a `firm' foundation to better awareness of what is Hocus Pocus and the `real stuff'. 9. The usefulness of this theory is: - How suitable is the house to the breadwinner? - It is good to spend time at auspicious sectors. 10. The weakness is that there is really not much we can do if say a sector is the `disaster' or `death' sector. Unlike it's sister - The Flying Star; it cannot relate to the Five Elements concept. Where the Five elements concept, can be used to used to find a `cure' or neutralising agent. Warmest Regards, Cecil LeeOn 1/9/2002 6:58:00 PM, Mina Mou wrote:

From: Support @ Geomancy.Net Subject: Re: questions about the yijing-Loshu square Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:50:02 GMT To: (name removed) Dear Anon, I believe, the question you are asking is actually based on the I-Ching (yijing) 64 Trigrams whether the 64 Trigrams should be laid out based on the arrangement of the Fu Xi or King Wen. My response to the question: You see Eight House Trigram has two layouts Fu Xi (Later Heavenly Sequence) and King Wen (Former Heavenly Sequence) layout. Actually, both are used for different purpose and should not be mixed up. 1. Fu Xi (Later Heavenly Sequence) is derived using the Flying Star theory concept / Luo Shu squares and how it flies and is extensively used as a concept for the Time Dimension Feng Shui. 2. King Wen (Former Heavenly Sequence) is in its pures form of Heaven and Earth, Thunder and Lighting. Which is often used in Talisman and in to ward off Sha Qi. It is also used as the principle in deriving the I-Ching 64 combinations. Thus, when you are refering to the I-Ching you will be using the King Wen's layout of the Eight Trigrams, and when you are using Flying Star you will refer to the Fu Xi's layout of the Eight Trigram. Two are of completely different issues and concepts thus, should NEVER and not be mixed like what you have been asking. Therefore, the format of the I-Ching that is correct is the one using the King Wen layout. If I am not wrong, having heard my answers to the two Eight Trigram and breakdown of each sequence of the bagua, that will answer your question you are looking for. Since you are interested in I-Ching you should be looking for " Book of Changes " by James Legge (English), Richard Willhelm (Germany). They are actually missionaries in China, and they successfully translated the original book of changes into English and in German. So it is extensively comprehensive. So if you are really interested in learning the real I-Ching (ie so as not to be misled or learn the wrong information.) I would strongly recommend you hunt for books written by them (although I have looked thru some of his interpretations and felt that some of them may not be as accurately translated due to the interpretation from Mandarin to English) However, James book come close to translated books available in English for a much better understanding. The famous Chinese sage - Confucious said that "If he could have lived for another Fifty years, he would try to spend time to understand more about the I-Ching". This shows how complex this theory is and it is not possible to be explained in one or two sentences. Furthermore, the person who discovered the human gnome or DNA is based on the I-Ching 64 hex. And also, the discover of computer binary code said that he had found this idea from this 64 hex codes. So it is best you get the correct books, and not any of those books written by western authors (especially those who do not understand Mandarin ie. Chinese) i.e. (sorry not to speak ill of any western authors who had written I-Ching book; but in my opinion those who have a Chinese background may most likely have a better advantage in this area of interpretation if they are studious enough to interpret them direct from the original mandarin source - but still very very difficult. This is because the book of changes is so complex, personally having read the original text and the translated text, many essence are still lost during the translation despite the very exhaustive efforts of the two missionaries who had done a translated version. As the Chinese Couplets and etc used can be interpretated in many ways. So if you really want to go in depth into this ancient art you would be better fare much better if you can read the original Chinese version or at least read up on books written by the authors above. In the future, please post such questions/queries/doubts you have on Feng Shui to our Free Advise Forum (http://myadviser.geomancy.net) where everyone can benefit from our single replies rather than through our e-mail address support@geomancy.net. We even have an I-Ching conference in the forum, which would be appropriate for such questions. If you do not have an account, simply create one (http://login.geomancy.net) I have answered your question this time, so as not to disappoint you as I know that this subject and questions you are asking are NOT easy to understand. However, I would appreciate that in the future you post them to our My Adviser Forum instead. This not only promotes learning it will also allow others like yourself who are seeking answers to such question to be able to find it in the future. Thank you for your co-operation and understanding. Warmest Regards Robert Lee Support@Geomancy.Net, support@geomancy.net on 09/01/2002 URL: http://www.geomancy.net GEOMANCY.NET - Center for Applied Feng Shui Research Tel: +65 95771103, Fax: +65 4810581 -- Original Message --@geomancy.net>

From: (Name removed) Subject: Re: questions about the yijing-Loshu square Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:48:47 +0100 To: Support @ Geomancy.Net Dear Mr. Lee, thanks for your fast reply and your instructions... to clarify my problem with this topic: I know that my questions are very technical - want to understand a bit of the physical technical functions, but i am not a scientific engnieer or mathematic guy or something like that.. so when i understand you in the right way. The loshu is connected with the wen arrangement - cammann Schuyler" The origin of the Triagramm Circles in Ancient China, the museum of far Eastern Antiqities Bulletin No 62 Stockholm 19990" says that this is a big mistake of history to think that, i read so many literature, but this is indead the only author who said this everyone else wrote that the wen cycle belongs to the loshu the hetu to the Fuxi arrangement. How does the loshu functions then? There are even and odd numbers - yin and yang - yang is clockwise and yin is counterclockwise. this is a fengh shui message. does this also count for the yijing (later heaven) when you speak of movements. so the numbers of the loshu represent triagrams for expamle Kun= 2 and Quian = 6 two triagrams form an hexagram and within this you have a direction marked as a loshu number .. for example Tui and Tui = 7/7 is Hexagram 58 belongs to the loshu number 7 according the eight houses in relation to the loshu square. you can categorise the 64 Hexagram to the eight houses for example 6 is (hexagram number 1,44,33,12,20,23,35,14) 1 is (29,60,3,63,49,55,36,7) and so on.. but other people say this is wrong only wetern thinking has nothing to do with eastern origins: 6 is ( 1,12,25,6,33,44,13,10 hexagram) or 1 is (5,8,3,29,39,48,63,60) always the second triagram or line.. above the lower .. What is true there ? ================================= Movement in clockwise / counterclockwise direction - cyclic interdependence what does cause the movement the loshu number (even/odd)-number polarity or the triagram ? ( the sex in the wen cycle, the lowest line as primary basis as in the Fuxi) or a micture of both? when i have then two triagrams there can be different options- as expressed in the biagrams- yin-yin, yang-yang yin-yang yang -yin) first -second line.. yin-yin ( example loshu number:first line/number, second line/number 2-8, 6-4) is countercklockwise ? yang- yang (7-9, 1-3) vice versa? what about yin-yang , yang- yin composition? Would be nice to hear from you soon . Best wihes and regards from here be well Yours

Dear Anon, Thank you for your query. Just like to let you know that the question you have posted is actually very interesting and we would like to re-post your message into the forum (As an anonymous user to present it as learning resource). The reason why you had difficulty in finding answer to this is not many people are aware that Eight House is a Compass Theory derived from the Flying Star concept. Anyway, just to answer your question:- The later heaven sequence has a different method of presenting the 8 trigrams. It is actually derived from the Flying Star Theory. where you get:- 4 9 2 3 5 7 8 1 6 or 4 9 2 3 ? 7 8 1 6 Which is exactly the layout of the later heavenly sequence trigram use in one version of the bagua. Please see the graphic base1.gif (THIS IMAGE IS COPYRIGHT, EXTRACTED FROM Geomancy.net The Flying STAR COURSE, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO USE IT UNLESS WITH OUR EXPLICT PERMISSION.) It is used here in this e-mail for your information so that you can better understand how it flies without having to explain in text. (c) Robert Lee, Geomancy.Net - Center for Applied Feng Shui Research The only difference between the base1.gif and the eight trigram you used is that the 5 is missing as it is not necessary in the 8 trigrams. This forms the new eight trigram layout which is termed the later Heavenly Sequence which helps to explain the 24 Mountains concept in the Flying Star Theory. Therefore, it is nothing to do with what you had mentioned that it flies in odd or even number, but rather derived from the same flying star theory that presented the 8 trigram in a Heavenly Sequence. This layout is used frequently with a Flying Star 24 mountain sequence. As for the yin & yang issue, just refer each of the trigram to the moon which you had, and you will know which is yin & yang etc. Hope that helps. Warmest Regards Robert Lee

-- Extracted from a messaged posted to us privately via e-mail seeking help from Geomancy.net on the Compass School Feng Shui -- 1. Attached please find graphics: Graphics of 2B.GIF, PAGE4A.JPG, PAGE4B.JPG scanned in by the user to make it easier to understand the question, credits to whichever book it originated from.) -- Start of Message -- To: Support @ Geomancy.Net Subject: Re: Questions about the yijing-Loshu square Date: On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:30:06 +0100 From: A User - snipped - Hello :-) Saw information about you and your work about the loshu square/ yijing ,would be nice if you could help me with my questions, its difficult to find an answer , i searched in the internet very extensively and in books.. but with no success and when there a not one but several answers.. My question is as follows: in relation to the i Ging cycle later and earlier heaven : earlier heaven: the movement is the following: (FU HSI TRIGRAM, FILENAME: PAGE4A.JPG). Refer to graphic The movement is determine by the following (FILENAME: 2B.GIF) where the lowest line determines the movement left site is counterclockwise and the other v.v in the fu hsi arrangement. What about the later heaven ? (KING WEN, FILENAME: PAGE4B.JPG) 1 = Kan; 2 = Kun; 3 = Chen; 4 = Sun; 5; 6 = Quian; 7= Tui; 8= gen; 9= Li; a) is it that the left site ( 9,4,3,8 ) is counterclockwise and right site is clockwise ( 2,7,6,1) or that 3,6,8,1 is counterclockwise and 7,2,9,4 is clockwise ? b) is there also a movement for numbers and not only for triagrams or are the mixed together polarity of numbers (black and white diots of the luo shu ) and triarams? c) and when--- numbers are mixed what then is the result clockwise or counterclockwise movement ? e.g. 8 (gen) yin and 9 (li) yang ? or 4 is yin and 6 is yin ? Hope you can give me a bit clarification :-) Be well, hope to hear from you! Best wishes and have a good time Kindest Regards, -- user name removed --

Dear Users, 1. The users in this forum has grown quite huge. To-date there are more than 10,000 members in this forum and growing. 2. As this is a heavily participated forum, please consider selecting digest mode under " Edit your Profile " setting in this forum to receive only ONE summarized digest instead of multiple e-mails. (If you had selected participation thru " Mailing List " instead of logging to the forum.) 3. This forum is moderated and questions posted are not immediately posted to the forum. As I personally look at each message before posting it into the forum. 4. Normally, I log in every day to the forum; and you should receive all verified messages everyday or if it is a weekend i.e. Saturday or Sunday; then it may get posted later (on Monday or a few days later), if your message is relevant to all members, it will be posted into the forum for all users to see. But some messages as mentioned under Para 6 - may not be answered at all as it asks to analyse their Date of Birth. 5. What is more important is the frequency of answers. We always give top priority to answering all questions usually within one to three days unless it is a weekend or if the question needs more time to look into. However, some questions are either more difficult to reply to; I may `KIV'. Sometimes, due to the continous stream of messages sent into the forum, I may unfortunately missed replying to them. For this, I sincerely apologise for it. If so, your recourse is that you can remind me about it e.g. sent me a private email. 6. Recently there are many questions where users simply give furnish their and/or their family member's date of birth and other information (Pre-analysied) and expect me to do all the homework for them. This is not the spirit for which this forum was started for. 7. As much as we like to help users, we seek your understanding that; there are so many questions coming into the forum and we are unable to help those simply post e.g. their Date of Birth and expect in future logins to find their case done for them. Users can, if they want to, free to engage anyone to do the readings for them. 8. Due to the huge number of requests for help or assistance (sympathy and other hardship cases) we will continue to see where possible we can help them. But, as mentioned, this is an international forum and there is unfortunately only 24 hours in a day. Thus, our help or aid (unfortunately) has to be selective or we would provide users support by giving them Free paid credits for various tools here. 9. Thus, I strongly appeal to users here not to post questions relating to their "personal self" e.g. My Date of Birth is ....... tell me more about myself. Such questions only benefit that specific person and no one else as it is based on that particular person's DOB only. 10. I am always very happy to answer questions or clarifications or queries that benefit everyone here. I also like to act a facilitators role or a `catalyst' in your personal quest to understand better - where possible all sides or key issues to or varying opinions. The end result is not to `spoonfeed' but rather, at the end of it, it is entirely up to each individual to form their own opinion after reading a message. 11. And if you post a relevant question and if it promotes learning, you will be guaranteed of a lengthly and detailed answer to your question. 12. With the `spirit' of promoting learning, I therefore seek everyone's co-operation and understanding on the above. 13. I am currently drafting a " Forum Etiquette " page to allow users to better understand why some questions were not moderated i.e. appear on the forum after a user had written the message or certain message remain un-replied to. Warmest Regards, Cecil Lee Center for Applied Feng Shui Research