House Hunting - Part 2

[myfs_105946]

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Thanks again for the House Hunting sample report, it

really helped a lot.

I've been analyzing dozens of apartments and narrowed

it down to these two (pictures below). However, I'm not sure

which would be more auspicious overall (if either one), since

the House Hunting report doesn't take into account the layout.

So any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Both are "good", but also have leaks and inauspicious stars

in good sectors. It's also nearly impossible to find an apartment

that would not have the toilet beside the main door.

Apartment 1:

Plus:

- Belongs to water element (I'm weak water, so that's excellent)

- The main entrance is at my longevity sector

- The main entrance has double 8?s

- Sickness sector (flying star) has two auspicious stars

- Heaven's Luck sector has also two auspicious stars

- Both bedrooms are in good sectors (but have inauspicious stars...)

Minus:

- Toilet beside the main door

- Toilet in North sector

- There is a missing corner (same thing with almost every apartment)

- The center of the house is 3,4,8.

- The bedrooms have inauspicious flying stars

Apartment 2

Plus:

- Double 8?s at entrance (and the base number is 6, seems very prosperous)

- Bedroom has aspicious stars 6,1,4 (and in addition has the "10 combo")

- The center of the house is 1,6,8

- The main entrance is at my prosperity sector

Minus:

- There are TWO toilets beside the main door (one in both sides)

- Very inauspicious combinations in some areas

- Toilet is next to kitchen

- The apartment is wood element (East), and it's unfavourable element for me

- The Grand Duke is at East this year, not sure if moving in this one would be auspicious this year

So there are a lot of good things, but also many very inauspicious things.

PS I just read some other posts and learned that N facing houses/apartments

in period 8 are "the last last resort". Is that the case even if I'm weak water?

Thank you.

- JH

[Cecil Lee]

1. As mentioned previously, the House Hunting report is a macro overview. The purpose of the report is simply to quicky narrow down to specific choices especially for those buying or trying to buy a virgin unit or apartment in a condo or a public housing development.
2. It is a good thing that once the above stage is done; can plot a flying star chart.
3. But the key essence is still Shapes and Forms Feng Shui. As I had mentioned previously: one can do without flying star Feng Shui chart but still need to survive on Shapes and forms Feng Shui.
4. In another recent forum message; I had link a message to the ranking based on Flying Star facing directions.

You said: "PS I just read some other posts and learned that N facing houses/apartments in period 8 are "the last last resort". Is that the case even if I'm weak water?"
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5. Please note that ranking is still of utmost importance as it it gives weightage to certain facing directions (careless whether it suits a weak water person or not).
5.1. Why? Simple mathematics. Weightage is always used to boost a score.
6. In your evaluation; one critical thing that you may have missed out is/are/was/were such things as missing areas or corners.
7. It's all about the big picture! An example is as mentioned earlier; facing directions can be ranked accordingly.
7.1. In my opinion; Your second option seems to have a missing corner at a vital area e.g. NW sector. (Do a search for NW and things like Head of the house (male breadwinner) and Heaven luck or luck from heaven.
8. Some geomancers would check to see or include the template of the entire family's Eight House chart to visualise which intangible force is located and whether say the master bedroom is in one's good sector etc...

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On 5/19/2011 4:13:21 PM, Anonymous wrote:
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Thanks again for the House
Hunting sample report, it
really helped a lot.

I've been analyzing dozens of
apartments and narrowed
it down to these two (pictures
below). However, I'm not sure
which would be more auspicious
overall (if either one), since
the House Hunting report
doesn't take into account the
layout.
So any comments would be
greatly appreciated.

Both are "good", but also have
leaks and inauspicious stars
in good sectors. It's also
nearly impossible to find an
apartment
that would not have the toilet
beside the main door.

Apartment 1:

Plus:
- Belongs to water element
(I'm weak water, so that's
excellent)
- The main entrance is at my
longevity sector
- The main entrance has double
8?s
- Sickness sector (flying
star) has two auspicious stars
- Heaven's Luck sector has
also two auspicious stars
- Both bedrooms are in good
sectors (but have inauspicious
stars...)

Minus:
- Toilet beside the main door
- Toilet in North sector
- There is a missing corner
(same thing with almost every
apartment)
- The center of the house is
3,4,8.
- The bedrooms have
inauspicious flying stars

Apartment 2

Plus:
- Double 8?s at entrance (and
the base number is 6, seems
very prosperous)
- Bedroom has aspicious stars
6,1,4 (and in addition has the
"10 combo")
- The center of the house is
1,6,8
- The main entrance is at my
prosperity sector

Minus:
- There are TWO toilets beside
the main door (one in both
sides)
- Very inauspicious
combinations in some areas
- Toilet is next to kitchen
- The apartment is wood
element (East), and it's
unfavourable element for me
- The Grand Duke is at East
this year, not sure if moving
in this one would be
auspicious this year

So there are a lot of good
things, but also many very
inauspicious things.

PS I just read some other
posts and learned that N
facing houses/apartments
in period 8 are "the last last
resort". Is that the case even
if I'm weak water?

Thank you.

- JH

[Cecil Lee]

This link has some resources on protusions and/or missing corners:-
http://www.geomancy.net/resources/theories/fs-building.htm

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On 5/19/2011 10:56:14 PM, Anonymous wrote:
1. As mentioned previously,
the House Hunting report is a
macro overview. The purpose of
the report is simply to quicky
narrow down to specific
choices especially for those
buying or trying to buy a
virgin unit or apartment in a
condo or a public housing
development. 2. It is a good
thing that once the above
stage is done; can plot a
flying star chart.3. But the
key essence is still Shapes
and Forms Feng Shui. As I had
mentioned previously: one can
do without flying star Feng
Shui chart but still need to
survive on Shapes and forms
Feng Shui.4. In another recent
forum message; I had link a
message to the ranking based
on Flying Star facing
directions.
You said: "PS I just read some
other posts and learned that N
facing houses/apartments in
period 8 are "the last last
resort". Is that the case even
if I'm weak
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5. Please
note that ranking is still of utmost
importance as it it gives weightage to
certain facing directions (careless
whether it suits a weak water person or
not). 5.1. Why? Simple mathematics.
Weightage is always used to boost a
score.6. In your evaluation; one
critical thing that you may have missed
out is/are/was/were such things as
missing areas or corners.7. It's all
about the big picture! An example is as
mentioned earlier; facing directions can
be ranked accordingly.7.1. In my
opinion; Your second option seems to
have a missing corner at a vital area
e.g. NW sector. (Do a search for NW and
things like Head of the house (male
breadwinner) and Heaven luck or luck
from heaven. 8. Some geomancers would
check to see or include the template of
the entire family's Eight House chart to
visualise which intangible force is
located and whether say the master
bedroom is in one's good sector etc...On
5/19/2011 4:13:21 PM, J H wrote:
Hi,ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-comffic
effice" /

Thanks
again for the House
Hunting sample
report, it
really helped a lot.

I've been analyzing
dozens of
apartments and narrowed
it down to these two (pictures
below). However, I'm not sure
which would be more auspicious
overall (if either one), since
the House Hunting report
doesn't
take into account the
layout.
So
any comments would be
greatly
appreciated.

Both are
"good", but also have
leaks and
inauspicious stars
in good sectors.
It's also
nearly impossible to find
an
apartment
that would not have
the toilet
beside the main door.

Apartment 1:

Plus:
- Belongs to water element
(I'm weak water, so that's
excellent)
- The main entrance
is at my
longevity sector
- The
main entrance has double
8?s
-
Sickness sector (flying
star) has
two auspicious stars
- Heaven's Luck
sector has
also two auspicious stars
- Both bedrooms are in good
sectors (but have inauspicious
stars...)

Minus:
- Toilet beside the main door
-
Toilet in North sector
- There is a
missing corner
(same thing with
almost every
apartment)
- The
center of the house is
3,4,8.
-
The bedrooms have
inauspicious
flying stars

Apartment 2

Plus:
- Double 8?s at
entrance (and
the base number is 6,
seems
very prosperous)
- Bedroom
has aspicious stars
6,1,4 (and in
addition has the
"10 combo")
-
The center of the house is
1,6,8
- The main entrance is at my
prosperity sector

Minus:
- There are TWO toilets
beside
the main door (one in both
sides)
- Very inauspicious
combinations in some areas
-
Toilet is next to kitchen
- The
apartment is wood
element (East),
and it's
unfavourable element for me
- The Grand Duke is at East
this
year, not sure if moving
in this one
would be
auspicious this year

So there are a lot of
good
things, but also many very
inauspicious things.

PS I just read some other
posts
and learned that N
facing
houses/apartments
in period 8 are
"the last last
resort". Is that the
case even
if I'm weak water?

Thank you.

- JH

[myfs_105946]

Thank you for the clarification and the link also!fficeffice" />

"3. But the key essence is still Shapes and Forms Feng Shui. As I had mentioned previously:

one can do without flying star Feng Shui chart but still need to survive on Shapes and forms Feng Shui."

So if we rank the importance of the different aspects, they would be:

1. Shapes and Forms

2. Flying Stars

3. Eight House & Ba Zi (i.e. good directions and the true element)

?

"5. Please note that ranking is still of utmost importance as it it gives weightage to certain facing directions

(careless whether it suits a weak water person or not).
5.1. Why? Simple mathematics. Weightage is always used to boost a score.

7. It's all about the big picture! An example is as mentioned earlier; facing directions can be ranked accordingly."
That makes sense. Do you mean that it's best to buy NE or SW facing unit

(Rank 1, this period) even though they are my irritation and disaster?

So it's more important to have more auspicious stars overall, than have

the door facing a "good direction", or even having bad stars at the

entrance doesn't matter (NE1 is 2,8,2 for example) if the overall

score is better, is that correct?

So in essence, flying stars are more important than 8 house? For example,

if I don't have a choice I can sleep in a bad sector if the stars are ok/auspicious?

"6. In your evaluation; one critical thing that you may have missed out is/are/was/were such things as missing areas or corners."
Thank you for pointing that out. It seems that I have to keep looking. It's just

that it?s very common that new developments around here have really bad

shapes and forms. Toilet beside the main entrance, or in the middle of the

apartment, missing corners, and some are very odd shaped etc. So I forget

at times that I should keep in mind the big picture, and not just the flying

stars and good directions.

Thanks again for your advice! This is very educating.

I hope others will find this helpful as well.

- JH

[Cecil Lee]

These are further considerations:

1. Your homework reminds me of some of my clients who also work out similar type of Flying Star charts and sending me a powerpoint with all the info of say a complete condo development and the units they were aiming at

2. Frankly, it is rare to find a "perfect" home. Often even if one wants to built a home; many times; it can be CLOSE to perfect but still there could be some constraints that make it not as perfect; but as mentioned close to it.

3. Contrary to popular belief; In theory; if one were to ask: Which is the most powerful or best concept to use; it has to be BAZI Feng Shui.

3.1. Thus, between Bazi Feng Shui or the Compass School of Feng Shui; which again technically should come FIRST?

3.2. On paper; Ba Zi Feng Shui should be taking the lead. Why?

3.3. Look at the lowest common denominator:

3.3.1 Ba Zi Feng Shui is derived from Ba Zi which uses: DD; MM; YY; HH: plus House of Life and House of Conception to derive a full bazi chart with it's various interactions of Harms/Conflics/Punishment.

3.4. While under the Compass School of Feng Shui: Eight House and even Flying Star is based purely on just the YEAR. Be it Eight House or Flying star; these two needs only the YEAR of birth to derive an "answer".

4. How come Ba Zi Feng Shui is more accurate but yet not as popular as the Compass School of Feng Shui: Eight House + Flying Star?

5. By default; Shapes and Forms will always be the FIRST consideration.

5.1 Ba Zi Feng Shui is often difficult to interact seamlessly with the Eight House and Flying Star. This is evident in the sample House Hunting report that I had provided.

5.2 The "problem" with Ba zi does not lie with Ba Zi itself but rather with the people or humans that try to work out all the variables and try to come out with the result! Here-in lies the problem!

5.3 Many of us are not aware of how or simply don't know how to calculate ba zi. While it is a no brainer if one can't work backwards one's eight house chart or Gua number or derive a Flying Star chart.

5.4 It is this accountability or so called non-accountability of Ba zi that is an issue. Ba zi is simply put: either you get it correct or get it wrong. No in-between. For example: there is a vast difference between a WEAK fire person vs a STRONG fire person.

5.5 Go take a look at this link:-
http://forum.geomancy.net/phpforum/article.php?bid=2&fid=2&mid=23906&new=

6. There are so many ways that a ba zi chart may differ between geomancers and ba zi calculators. And it is not easy to sit down and try to convince say a client that this chart vs that chart is correct.

6.1 For example: a client comes back and says; he had got the same results from e.g. two different sites but why Geomancy.net's chart is different?

6.2 To some; just because two or more other sites may reflect the same result; they assume that the site that gives the "wrong" answer has to be wrong. For example if all two or three sites only do a quick analysis using the DD/MM/YY/HH but missed out on House of Life and House of Conception or they use the Hsia or Xia li calendar for convenience as the days of a month based on this calendar may be fixed and unlike the lunar calendar, can be one or two days more or less in any month. Etc..

7. Thus because of the accountability issue; this could be the main reason why the Compass School of Feng Shui: Eight House and Flying Star (not including the Shapes and Forms) is so popular today.

8. For us; we know what is the issue behind ba zi and it's calculations: what to look out for etc.. But; if a client comes back and doubt us; as mentioned under para 6.1. - you can only ask the client to trust your "brand" vs other brands - that's all.
9. Sorry for the distraction. What you had mentioned in my opinon is fundamentally sound. Based on my earlier quote and your further elaboration.

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On 5/20/2011 12:42:23 AM, Anonymous wrote:
Thank you for the
clarification and the link
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"3. But the key essence is
still Shapes and Forms Feng
Shui. As I had mentioned
previously:
one can do without flying star
Feng Shui chart but still need
to survive on Shapes and forms
Feng Shui."
So if we rank the importance
of the different aspects, they
would be:

1. Shapes and Forms
2. Flying Stars
3. Eight House & Ba Zi
(i.e. good directions and the
true element)

?

"5. Please note that ranking
is still of utmost importance
as it it gives weightage to
certain facing directions
(careless whether it suits a
weak water person or not).
5.1. Why? Simple mathematics.
Weightage is always used to
boost a score.
7. It's all about the big
picture! An example is as
mentioned earlier; facing
directions can be ranked
accordingly."That makes sense.
Do you mean that it's best to
buy NE or SW facing unit
(Rank 1, this period) even
though they are my irritation
and disaster?
So it's more important to have
more auspicious stars overall,
than have
the door facing a "good
direction", or even having bad
stars at the
entrance doesn't matter (NE1
is 2,8,2 for example) if the
overall
score is better, is that
correct?

So in essence, flying stars
are more important than 8
house? For example,
if I don't have a choice I can
sleep in a bad sector if the
stars are ok/auspicious?

"6. In your evaluation; one
critical thing that you may
have missed out
is/are/was/were such things as
missing areas or
corners."Thank you for
pointing that out. It seems
that I have to keep looking.
It's just
that it?s very common that new
developments around here have
really bad
shapes and forms. Toilet
beside the main entrance, or
in the middle of the
apartment, missing corners,
and some are very odd shaped
etc. So I forget
at times that I should keep in
mind the big picture, and not
just the flying
stars and good directions.

Thanks again for your advice!
This is very educating.
I hope others will find this
helpful as well.

- JH

[myfs_105946]

"1. Your homework reminds me of some of my clients who also fficeffice" />

work out similar type of Flying Star charts and sending me a

powerpoint with all the info of say a complete condo development

and the units they were aiming at"

Yes, that seems familiar The reason that I'm doing a lot of research

now (before moving) is that I haven't been so lucky in my current house.

A lot of health problems, although my career is doing ok.

This house is facing N and I'm mainly using the rooms that are in my good

directions. And in my opinion this house has average shapes and forms as

well. So this house should be more than suitable for me (good 8 house, and

the element of the house is excellent for me as well), but yet it doesn't seem

like it.

I can think of only one reason for this: flying stars aren't that auspicious here.

7,7,3 at the entrance for example. There is a 10 combination, but now it's

period 8, so the double 7's aren't lucky during this period. And although my

bedroom is in (flying star) sickness sector 2, it has two lucky stars (6&8)

and a combination of 10, which should balance it (and the bedroom is also

in my 8 house "excellent" sector). Actually, every single sector has the

10 combination, which should add a lot of luck.

Or maybe there are just major leaks that I'm not aware of, that's possible.

"2. Frankly, it is rare to find a "perfect" home. Often even if one

wants to built a home; many times; it can be CLOSE to perfect but

still there could be some constraints that make it not as perfect;

but as mentioned close to it."

Yes, it's hard enough to find even an average one, let alone "close to perfect"

As I mentioned earlier, it's easy to tell that people who build apartment buildings

around here, don't know anything about Feng Shui. That is making it extremely

hard to find a "viable unit" in terms of Feng Shui.

"3. Contrary to popular belief; In theory; if one were to ask: Which is

the most powerful or best concept to use; it has to be BAZI Feng Shui."

Sorry, now I'm a bit confused. If that's the case, then I should make sure that

the element of the new apartment is suitable for me, but you wrote earlier that:

"Please note that ranking is still of utmost importance as it it gives

weightage to certain facing directions (careless whether it suits a

weak water person or not)."

I don't quite follow where exactly I should implement the different concepts?

First I should make sure that the apartment and surroundings have the best

possible shapes and forms, ok, but then...

If I buy an apartment that is facing NE, which is my "disaster" in 8 house, it

would also be an earth element house/apartment which is the most unfavourable

element for me. Considering Ba Zi, it would be the worst possible choice, because

I already have 55% of earth element according to my Ba Zi chart.

Do you mean that I should implement the Ba Zi concept mostly for the cures, and

disregard the element of the apartment and also the 8 house concept when

considering the facing of the apartment?

i.e. Flying Stars would be the most important factor when choosing the facing direction?

After that I should look at the flying stars and pick the best sector for the

bedroom and home office?

And if they happen to fall on my (8 house) good sectors it is just a plus, but

not a "necessity"...?

Is that what you meant by:

"5.2 The "problem" with Ba zi does not lie with Ba Zi itself but rather with the

people or humans that try to work out all the variables and try to come out with

the result! Here-in lies the problem!"

So basically the key for good Feng Shui is to know where to use the different concepts?

In essence:

1. Shapes and Forms - important everywhere

2. Flying Stars - when choosing the facing direction of the apartment

(to attain the most auspicious stars overall)

3. Ba Zi - for the cures

(in my case, implementing cures that support the water element)

4. 8 House - When you have a choice between 2 different bedrooms for example

To further elaborate: (Aside from shapes and forms) Even if the apartment belongs to a

favourable element, it isn't enough if the flying stars are very inauspicious. However, if

the flying stars are good, then the unfavourable element and "bad direction" in 8 house

concept doesn't matter so much?

In other words, if I try to apply every concept everywhere, I'm searching for something

that does not exist, i.e "perfect".

And therefore it's crucial to know which concept comes first in different situations.

I just want to make sure that I understand the priorities correctly before making

any decisions.

"5.4 It is this accountability or so called non-accountability of Ba zi that

is an issue. Ba zi is simply put: either you get it correct or get it wrong.

No in-between. For example: there is a vast difference between a WEAK

fire person vs a STRONG fire person.

5.5 Go take a look at this link:-
http://forum.geomancy.net/phpforum/article.php?bid=2&fid=2&mid=23906&new=

6. There are so many ways that a ba zi chart may differ between

geomancers and ba zi calculators. And it is not easy to sit down and try

to convince say a client that this chart vs that chart is correct.

6.1 For example: a client comes back and says; he had got the same

results from e.g. two different sites but why Geomancy.net's chart

is different? "

Thank you very much for the information! Luckily, I've always used your site

for resources and charts, because I trust you very much. That's why I rarely

read any other sites or forums. I don't want to waste my time reading

something I don't fully trust

- JH

[Cecil Lee]

These are further considerations:
1. Attached, please find a mind-map that I had just drawn to show the relationship between the two major concepts that are widely applied to Feng Shui today.
2. There is an interesting link between the Flying Star Feng Shui and Ba Zi to the Five Elements concept. The plus point of the Five Elements Concept is that as it is the lowest common denominator; it is like the glue that binds both Flying Star and Ba zi.
3. Today, the key success factor of the Compass School of Feng Shui (Eight House and Flying Star) is it's accountability: based on one's Year of Birth. How to get this wrong? Even if it is say wrongly calculated; anyone can double-check the calculations. The Compass School of Feng Shui became highly popular with DIY enthusiasts around 1980's onwards.
4. Frankly, in the past around the 1930s even till today; before the advent of the knowledge of Para 3; Ba Zi and Ba Zi Feng Shui was widely used. But the main drawback is that often no two masters get the same answers - all the time! Prior to the internet age, who cares! No-body even know that you got it wrong! Today, with free access; and tons of sites; everything changes here.
5. A practical approach, therefore is based on the attached model. And one of the critical usage is at the "final stage" of analysis i.e. a sector or e.g. a bedroom. If the individual is suppose to sleep in that room and he is a weak water person; then this info is looked at in relation to the Flying Star chart of that room (sector) to fine tune the analysis and recommendations for that room (sector).