Eight house versus True Element

[lightsong]

Hi Cecil,
Haven't participated for a while... Been very busy working.
Remember the job that I got about a month ago and I was asking advice on the best place for me to sit? Well, I should have know that the job was not suited for me as the main entrance was in the South East section, which is death for me. I ran into a lot of unexplained bad luck and ended up losing the job before I had a chance to do a flying chart and correct the imbalances. But because of the corrections that you helped me make at my home, I was hired for another job just two days later and have been working there ever since.
The new place has the entrance in the North West and it's working out very well. In analyzing my true element, I do have some confusion that I would like your opinion on.
In the eight house theory, a person has 4 good directions and 4 bad. For instance, my boyfriend is a Li, fire. According to 8 house, his good directions are E, S, N, SE, but in the Pillars of destiny, He is a weak water. Out of the good direction offered, I know that the North is a good direction because water adds to weak water, but the S, E, SE are not really supportive elements for weak water, as E and SE are both wood and can drain weak water. According to the elemental theory, Metal creates water, but neither W or NW is a good direction for a Li person according to the 8 house.
So which theory should we follow? As soon as I get my bills down a little, I plan to look for another place to live. I want to know should I choose a house according to the 8 house theory to fine one with a good door facing one of my auspicious directions, or shall I choose a door with metal because metal supports weak water?
Looking forward to hear your views.
cheui may

[Cecil Lee]

Dear Cheui May,
I very glad to hear from you:)
1. The Eight House is based on a person's personal Gua no. I believe the key
essence when one uses it is to relate it to one spending time at a specific
location.
There are two major uses of this theory is:-
a. How suitable the house is to the person? ( The main entrance and the
intangible force at the sector). If this is the death/disaster sector, this
house is generally the least suitable house for the person.
b. How long does one spent time at this sector? Thus, one major concern is:
what is the intangible force at the bedroom /bed of the person.
2. The Eight House Theory is not related to the Five elements unlike: The
Flying Star theory or the Pillars of Destiny.
3. When we check to see if a sector is `in balance' or out of balance. If
that particular sector is out of balance, we than try to `neutralise' it by
applying a cure. For example: Use a `metal' cure.
4. Since there is a common denominator: The Five Elements, we can then apply
The Flying Star Theory inconjunction with the Pillars of Destiny.
In traditional Feng Shui, we first find a person's element and strength. We
also look at a person's luck period to see what sought of `season' the
element is in and whether it is neutral to our element or affects it.
For example, lets say that a person is a weak fire person. And the season of
influence is strong water. Here, since water destroys fire and since this is
a weak fire, it may get extinguished. In such a situation, for home decor,
avoid having water (Blue) such as painting the bedroom blue for example. Or,
avoid keeping fishes in the home.
5. As you mentioned, North represents Water and East represents Wood etc...
This are purely, general statements relating to each direction having an
`association' to an element. Although these are `technically correct' i.e.
North = Water.
In "kindergarten Feng Shui" we can apply such associations. But these are
two general.
6. Thus in Traditional Feng Shui (above kindergarten FS) we do not normally
apply based on Para 5. But rather as mentioned earlier, look at one's
element and strength. And also for the home, we look at the birth chart of
the house e.g. (looking at Shapes and Form) and next look at it using The
Flying Star to analyse each sector and if that particular sector is out of
balance, neutralise any imbalances at that sector).
7. In fact you are applying some of the Ba Zhi Feng Shui, principles by
looking at e.g. your boyfriends element and strength and relating it to each
sector. The sector that is not in harmony with your boyfriend should be
noted. Ba Zhi Feng Shui is more specific and should be considered more
important then the Eight House Theory.
Warmest Regards,
Cecil
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Subject: Eight house versus True Element

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From: "Cheui May Heui"
Hi Cecil,
Haven't participated for a while... Been very busy working.
Remember the job that I got about a month ago and I was asking advice on
the best place for me to sit? Well, I should have know that the job was not
suited for me as the main entrance was in the South East section, which is
death for me. I ran into a lot of unexplained bad luck and ended up losing
the job before I had a chance to do a flying chart and correct the
imbalances. But because of the corrections that you helped me make at my
home, I was hired for another job just two days later and have been working
there ever since.
The new place has the entrance in the North West and it's working out very
well. In analyzing my true element, I do have some confusion that I would
like your opinion on.
In the eight house theory, a person has 4 good directions and 4 bad. For
instance, my boyfriend is a Li, fire. According to 8 house, his good
directions are E, S, N, SE, but in the Pillars of destiny, He is a weak
water. Out of the good direction offered, I know that the North is a good
direction because water adds to weak water, but the S, E, SE are not really
supportive elements for weak water, as E and SE are both wood and can drain
weak water. According to the elemental theory, Metal creates water, but
neither W or NW is a good direction for a Li person according to the 8
house.
So which theory should we follow? As soon as I get my bills down a
little, I plan to look for another place to live. I want to know should I
choose a house according to the 8 house theory to fine one with a good door
facing one of my auspicious directions, or shall I choose a door with metal
because metal supports weak water?
Looking forward to hear your views.
cheui may

[Cecil Lee]

Dear Michele,
In my opinion, Feng Shui is not that easy to apply. Although there are many
books available, in the past, it takes much experience not only to know the
technical side but be able to analyse the home. Thus, the saying goes " a
little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
1. Pool at the `back' of the house.
If one does not have the services of a competent FS practitioner, one still
`try' to find out where is the frontage of a house.
For example, the frontage may even be at the `back' of the house. For
example, if the living room opens to a balcony or clear space, the
"frontage" can be at this location. Here, you can have clear space and a
pool is acceptable. This is common in condominum housing developments.
2. An `L-shaped' house need not necessarily mean that this is a `missing
corner'. An `L-shaped' house can be `split' into two rectangles for
analysis. One also needs to differentiate between a protusion and a missing
corner.
3. In the interior, for example, an `L-shaped' living room cum dinning room
can be `divided' into two rectangles by having a partition on one side of
the wall. (A top down view would show an outline of two rectangles.)
Warmest Regards,
Cecil
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From: "free-advice Listmanager"
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Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 9:21 PM
Subject: Pool in back of house

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From: "Michele Liguori"
We have recently found a home with a pool in back.Have read this feature
is to be avoided but have always wanted one.Also the home was a rectangular
shape built in 1972, 280 degrees West, then the owners added a family room
on south side creating an L-shape. Did this just create two missing areas in
NE and E areas of Wealth and Fame? Husband DOB 12/11/59 3am and my DOB is
11/20/55 10pm. Would appreciate quick reply.

[lightsong]

Hi Cecil,
Thanks for your reply, but I still am confused as how to choose a house. For instance, I am a weak water according to my pillars of destiny. In the Eight house theory, NE and SW are both good directions for me, but both of these are earth and earth destroys water. So it just doesn't seem logical for me to choose a house with an entrance in either of those directions. I'm sorry to be so insistence, but I'm really trying to understand this point. Are you saying that once the imbalances are neutralized through shapes and form and the flying star analysis, it would not matter where I spend my time? But still why would I specifically choose an entrance in a direction that is earth?
Cheui May

[Cecil Lee]

Dear Cheui May,
1. As you are aware, Feng Shui is based on a holistic approach.
2. In some of the messages, I relate finding a good home with the equalvalent of `scoring' marks in an examination.
In order to score marks or pass a test, one should maximize our scores.
For example, if the examination requires one to answer 4 essay questions within 2 hours.
3. Some of us may only answer 3 questions and after that spent too much time that we did not answer the fourth question.
4. As each question carries 25 marks each, by not answering the last (fourth question), our maximum marks (if we ever do get all three questions correct is 75%). Most of us know that we may not get this and could fail our exams.
5. Thus, it would be more prudent to make an effort to allocate 30 minutes to answer each question. By doing so, we would have `maximise' our marks. This could make the difference between passing or failing this examination.
6. Similiarly, one MUST understand clearly the PURPOSE of each Feng Shui theory.
Part I.... will be continued in ... second message....

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On 9/12/00 3:08:00 AM, Anonymous wrote:
Hi Cecil,
Thanks for your reply, but I
still am confused as how to
choose a house. For instance,
I am a weak water according to
my pillars of destiny. In the
Eight house theory, NE and SW
are both good directions for
me, but both of these are
earth and earth destroys
water. So it just doesn't
seem logical for me to choose
a house with an entrance in
either of those directions.
I'm sorry to be so insistence,
but I'm really trying to
understand this point. Are
you saying that once the
imbalances are neutralized
through shapes and form and
the flying star analysis, it
would not matter where I spend
my time? But still why would
I specifically choose an
entrance in a direction that
is earth?
Cheui May

[Cecil Lee]

Dear Cheui May,
1. In Feng Shui, it is also important to maximize one's LUCK using the three most important theories:-
1.1 Shapes and Form
Here, location, location and location is important.
1.2 Eight House
HOW SUITABLE is the house to the person? And at locations where one spents most time at should preferably be an auspicious sector.
1.3 Flying Star and Pillars of Destiny
Here, Flying Star looks the birth chart of the house is looked at.
While we extract, one's element and strength from Pillars of Destiny. Look at our luck periods and its relationship with the five elements.
If you can see clearly, each principle above (1.1; 1.2 and 1.3) are specific tools used to analyse different things.
For example, the Eight House is to look at suitability of a house to a person. Thus even if the birth chart of the house is excellent, yet it does not `fit' a person, there is a mismatch here.
Thus, I hope you can understand from the above, that one should not look in isolation but know the PURPOSE of each theory and apply them accordingly.
For example, if there is a toilet at the centre of the house, this is a fundamental `flaw' under Shapes and Form School.
So, even if one has EXCELLENT birth chart of the house and even if this house is SUITABLE to a person under Eight house, you may not get good Feng Shui from the house.
For example, your present house layout (apologise if I bring this out) does not have good Shapes and Form.
I hope you understand that it is very difficult to explain all the above.
Warmest Regards,
Cecil

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On 9/12/00 7:06:00 AM, Anonymous wrote:
Dear Cheui May,
1. As you are aware, Feng Shui
is based on a holistic
approach.
2. In some of the messages, I
relate finding a good home
with the equalvalent of
`scoring' marks in an
examination.
In order to score marks or
pass a test, one should
maximize our scores.
For example, if the
examination requires one to
answer 4 essay questions
within 2 hours.
3. Some of us may only answer
3 questions and after that
spent too much time that we
did not answer the fourth
question.
4. As each question carries 25
marks each, by not answering
the last (fourth question),
our maximum marks (if we ever
do get all three questions
correct is 75%). Most of us
know that we may not get this
and could fail our exams.
5. Thus, it would be more
prudent to make an effort to
allocate 30 minutes to answer
each question. By doing so, we
would have `maximise' our
marks. This could make the
difference between passing or
failing this examination.
6. Similiarly, one MUST
understand clearly the PURPOSE
of each Feng Shui theory.
Part I.... will be continued
in ... second message....
On 9/12/00 3:08:00 AM, Cheui May Heui
wrote:
Hi Cecil,
Thanks for your reply, but I
still am confused as how to
choose a house. For instance,
I am a weak water according to
my pillars of destiny. In the
Eight house theory, NE and SW
are both good directions for
me, but both of these are
earth and earth destroys
water. So it just doesn't
seem logical for me to choose
a house with an entrance in
either of those directions.
I'm sorry to be so insistence,
but I'm really trying to
understand this point. Are
you saying that once the
imbalances are neutralized
through shapes and form and
the flying star analysis, it
would not matter where I spend
my time? But still why would
I specifically choose an
entrance in a direction that
is earth?
Cheui May