Kua system

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Dear users,
there are possible weaknesses in the system of the kua numbers and its derivative - ba zhai feng shui:
the calculation of the kua numbers is based on the western calendar, or the gregorian calendar. this year is 2003 according to the gregorian calendar.
the gregorian calendar is a adaptation of the julian calendar and was introduced by pope gregory in 1582 (and used in europe).
china has been using the hsia calendar until the 1911 revolution. it was from 1912, that the public started using the gregorian calendar, and the hsia calendar lost its importance. 2003 in the gregorian calendar is equivalent to year 4701 of the hsia calendar.
there is no correlation between the gregorian and the hsia calendar - in history or in formula. note also, the gregorian calendar is useless for astronomy because it has a ten-day hiatus in it.
given the facts, the foundation of the formula on the kua numbers becomes suspect.
the kua system is a numerology formula but based on the western calendar.
thus 'ba zhai feng shui' would seem to be a hybrid system of the east and the west - far from what the system claimed to be - 'classical feng shui' which was supposed to have its origins in china, many years ago?

[Cecil Lee]

Dear Anon,
1. Most people regard Shapes and Form Feng Shui as ofounded by a Chinese: Yang Yung Sung in Kwangsi province, China.
Period : Around the period AD840 - 888CE
2. While the Compass School of Feng Shui was founded by Wang K'e in Fukien province, China. Around the Northern Sung period around AD960 - 1126 CE. Both the Ba Zhai and Xuan Kong Feng Shui are from this Compass School.
Reference: http://www.geomancy.net/resources/theories/fs-shapes.htm
3. The Hsia or Xia Li is indeed a seasonal calendar.
4. In several of my past postings, I have cautioned about the simplicity of the Hsia and Xia calendar system.
5. In some of my previous forum postings:-
5.1 I observed that many people were introduced to the `Hsia calendar' especially the pillars of destiny calculations. Where, many of the practitioners simply use Hsia.
5.2 In my opinon, the rationale for this is simple. Around 1986, the major language used in the internet is English. And many Feng Shui practitioners learn their Feng Shui model from Hong Kong. (As Hong Kong was a British colony).
5.3 When I first mentioned that Geomany.net uses specifically the Lunar calendar system, many who began to learn Feng Shui and were introduced to the Hsia (Xia Li) calendar were I believe `stunned'. Because, at that time, the majority of the practitioners were from the " Hong Kong " school.
5.4 In fact, Hong Kong is the only country that still uses the Hsia calendar system.
5.5 For example, from day one, we have always insisted on using Lundar calendar for Pillars of Destiny and only at certain points of calculation e.g. Luck periods co-relate it to the `season's.
5.6 Do search for past forum messages on `Xia ' or Hsia and you can find my previous postings on the major flaws of Hsia calendar.
5.7 For example, Hsia calendar system does not take into account `intercalary' months. For example, in a year where there can be two second months under the lunar calendar.
5.8. I can understand why many `Hong Kong' practitioners use Hsia because the dates are constant and that makes it very easy to `churn out a chart'.
5.9. Another rationale is because, due to communism in China, many with knowledge of Feng Shui fled to Taiwan and Hong Kong. As mentioned earlier, because of the British influence in Hong Kong; many English speaking only got hold to books written specifically in English. While many in Taiwan, can only speak Mandarin or Hokkien dialect.
6.0 At one time, I can recall, (I believe) many of the Hong Kong practitioners were `looking down' on Dr Eveyln Lip, when she published her Pillars of Destiny book where she had correctly used the Lunar calendar system for Ba Zi evaluation. I always believe that Dr Eveyln Lip had always tried her best to write academically correct books, since she has very good credientials ie. a trained architect and formerly a lecturer in the National University of Singapore.
6. In all concepts, what is most important is to use a three-step approach: 1 What is the purpose of each concept. 2. What are it's strengths. 3. What are it's weakness.
7. The Gua (Kua) system belongs to the Compass School of Feng Shui and it is said to be `invented' only in modern times i.e. Northen Sung dynasty.
8. In fact, another major flaw is that it is that it only takes into consideration our Year of birth. Contrast this with Ba Zi or Pillars of Destiny where not only the Year is used, but also the Month, Day, Hour of birth. In Geomancy.net, we go further to include House of Life and House of conception.
9. In my opinion, so far, the Gua system will still be widely used by many because of it's simplicity. And often, many people who want to go further often go further to apply the Flying Star and Pillars of destiny.
Warmest Regards,
Cecil
P.S. Please note that all articles in this forum are not to be copied or transmitted elsewhere.

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On 5/18/2003 7:37:03 PM, Anonymous wrote:
dear users,
there are possible weaknesses
in the system of the kua
numbers and its derivative -
ba zhai feng shui:
the calculation of the kua
numbers is based on the
western calendar, or the
gregorian calendar. this year
is 2003 according to the
gregorian calendar.
the gregorian calendar is a
adaptation of the julian
calendar and was introduced by
pope gregory in 1582 (and used
in europe).
china has been using the hsia
calendar until the 1911
revolution. it was from 1912,
that the public started using
the gregorian calendar, and
the hsia calendar lost its
importance. 2003 in the
gregorian calendar is
equivalent to year 4701 of the
hsia calendar.
there is no correlation
between the gregorian and the
hsia calendar - in history or
in formula. note also, the
gregorian calendar is useless
for astronomy because it has a
ten-day hiatus in it.
given the facts, the
foundation of the formula on
the kua numbers becomes
suspect.
the kua system is a numerology
formula but based on the
western calendar.
thus 'ba zhai feng shui' would
seem to be a hybrid system of
the east and the west - far
from what the system claimed
to be - 'classical feng shui'
which was supposed to have its
origins in china, many years
ago?

[Cecil Lee]

Further to what I had mentioned:-
1. Please do a SEARCH under this forum for words like ` Xia Li ' or ` Hsia ' or ` intercalary ' to understand more about the Hsia calendar system widely used by `Hong Kong' or Hong Kong related practitioners.
2. Many of those that learnt the Hsia have migrated or returned to countries like Canada (many Hong Kongers have migrated there), the United States. Because of it's education under Britian, this is largely the voice of " Geomancy" in the pre-1990's era.
3. Often, the China or Taiwanese form or the `Fukien' or Hokkien School which uses the Lunar Calendar was not well known; because many Taiwan (where many practitioners fled to under communist rule, did not have a good command of English. Thus, those surfing the internet, only seen the `Hong Kong' type of Geomancy. Strangely, only Hong Kong had adopted the Hsia (Xia li) calendar system.
4. If you did a search for " Xia Li' under this forum, please check out the articles marked with a " * " (below)
1 Discuss :: Free Advice (General Feng Shui) Kua system 5/18/2003
2 Discuss :: Free Advice (General Feng Shui) quantum leap & calender used 6/10/2002
3 Discuss :: Free Advice (General Feng Shui) quantum leap & calender used 6/10/2002
* 4 Info :: Caricatures: Laughter is good medicine The Chinese Lunar Calendar 4/24/2000
5 Human Luck :: Chinese Culture (General) A typical calendar used in a Chinese ... 4/23/2000
6 Human Luck :: Chinese Culture (General) Moon and the chinese people 4/21/2000
7 Community :: User Discussion Session (User to User) How come people in Taiwan were duped ... 4/21/2000
* 8 Heaven Luck :: Ba Zi Feng Shui / 4 Pillars of Destiny Which calendar is more accurate? 3/30/2000
9 Heaven Luck :: Ba Zi Feng Shui / 4 Pillars of Destiny Co-relation of elements combined. 2/10/2000
10 Discuss :: Free Advice (General Feng Shui) L Shape house with opposite direction... 2/7/2000
11 Human Luck :: Chinese Culture (General) Major dates of Chinese Festivals for ... 1/8/2000
12 Discuss :: Free Advice (General Feng Shui) New Ehancements to Geomancy-Online 3/15/1999
5. In particular articles under Serial number/Para 4 and 8 will give a better understanding of the Hsia calendar system.
Warmest Regards,
Cecil