Uncertain about time zone and ba zi....

[myfs_105019]

Dear Master Lee,

I am very confused about hour of birth. There are different time zones and I don't understand how the software is able to determine if the time of birth is in China, USA or Europe or anywhere else. Does the time zone make a difference and how is it calculated in relation to the software time zone?

Thanks,
Ulla

[Robert Lee]

Dear Ulla,

1. In all honesty, the various practitioners or masters who utilize time zone or location factors to modify the original ba zi are relatively recent developments advocated by modern practitioners.

2. Perhaps the only method that could be somewhat logical is applying the location factor to adjust the location to the current moon location. However, even this approach presents numerous challenges. For instance, a slight deviation of 0.01 degree in latitude or longitude can significantly alter your ba zi chart, resulting in less accuracy compared to not considering the hour of birth. Additionally, most individuals do not possess the exact information.

3. Utilizing the GMT time zone to adjust a ba zi chart is not a recommended practice. This is due to the oversimplification of the GMT time zone, which only impacts longitude changes, rendering it inaccurate.

4. Our stance on this matter is to avoid adding unnecessary complexity to the analysis. It is advisable to use your local time (irrespective of the country) for ba zi analysis.

5. Understanding the fundamental principles of ba zi reveals that the hour pillar does not have a significant impact on the 10-yearly, 5-yearly, yearly, and monthly luck pillars.

Reference: On GMT and more...

4.1. Typically, the hour pillar introduces additional pillars for combinations and clashes, potentially influencing whether a person's outcome is weak or strong. Without the hour pillar, most other hours tend to exhibit a consistent weak or strong nature, with only a few exceptions. Therefore, the impact of the hour pillar on luck pillars is minimal, except for minor yearly clashes or harms. Overall, the general luck remains relatively unaffected.

5. Consequently, it is still possible to analyze a person's luck effectively even without the hour pillar.

5.1. Many case studies of famous individuals have been conducted based solely on the date and time of birth, demonstrating the feasibility of accurate analysis without considering the hour pillar.

Allow me to provide you with a few instances:

a. Given the exact date and time of birth of a twins. One has primary education and one has PHD. Which you think will have better life. Most likely the one with PHD.

b. Given a twins again. One stay in US and one stay in IRAQ. which wiill you thihnk will have a better life. Again most likely US as it is more stable and peaceful.

c. Given a two person. Person A has 10-year favourable luck to him, but he stays in a house with entrapped feng shui and death suitability to the home. Person B 10-year luck not with that person, but he says in a house with excellent feng shui and prosperity suitability to the home. The Person B will have actually a much better luck then person A. Cos, a person's earth luck has ADVERSED impact upton your bazi.

8. So if you understand this fact, frankly, ba zi is by no means a tool which can forecast 100% all past events. What it can do is give you a forecast of potential pitfalls, and how you can try to maximise your luck.

8.1. Many modern practitioners/masters, try to make you think that ba zi can give you an accurate assesment of your past and future events. But I will ask you how is this possible if this concepts only supposed to provide you with a heavenly given luck?

9. So this is another reason why, frankly, no alternation of hour or even adding location factor is really necessary. In Feng Shui, ba zi only defines your heaven luck, but to fully apply feng shui you have to use all the other tools such as Ba Zi, Compass Schools (Eight House / Flying Star), Shapes and Form and more.

9.1. Only with these combined tools can it give you a proper analysis and how you can improve it. You should not just eat and sleep with only one concept and ignore the rest.

10. So our advice to you is just to leave the hour unknown or unaltered.

10.1. This will really give you a fairly good analysis as well as an even more accurate analysis then attempt to modify a theory with timezone or location factors, which in any case most people don't have a detailed record of the exactly long. and lat. of birth.
 

Warmest Regards
Robert Lee
GEOMANCY.NET - Center for Applied Feng Shui Research

 

 

 

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On 9/3/2004 10:22:15 PM, Anonymous wrote:

Dear Master Lee,

I am very confused about hour

of birth. There are

different time zones and I

don't understand how the

software is able to determine

if the time of birth is in

China, USA or Europe or

anywhere else. Does the

time zone make a difference

and how is it calculated in

relation to the software time

zone?

Thanks,Ulla



 

[Cecil Lee]

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[Cecil Lee]

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Extract from this book on Applying Location factor into Ba Zi

Chapter [13.] Applying Location factor into Ba Zi
 

1. Frankly, GMT time was only adopted universally in 1884. While Chinese Ba Zi system is at least more than 2,000 years old.

2. Thus TIME ZONE or LOCATION factors, are modern changes advocated by modern practitioners.

3. There is no such calculation when Ba Zi was invented in China.

4. The only method that is technically correct is to apply the LOCATION factor to the Chinese Lunar Calendar. Even this has two issues:-

5. a.) Even 0.01 degree off either the latitude and/or longitude, will make a major change to your Ba Zi chart. This 0.01 degree of error can make your chart even less accurate if it is incorrect. Which can be even less accurate than a chart that you leave the hour pillar as unknown.

6. b.) Most people don't even have the time of birth, let a lone the exact place of birth. So why complicate the issue.

7. Using GMT time zone is a bad way to apply the location factor, because GMT timezone only affects the longitude changes.

8. Furthermore, GMT has been simplified so much so it is no longer as accurate as in the past.

9. Our stand on this issue is NOT to add these level of complication to the analysis. Meaning that you should just use your local time (regardless of what country), to analyse the Ba Zi.

10. This is because if you truly understand how the Ba Zi works, the HOUR pillar will not make a major impact in terms of the 10-yearly, 5-yearly, yearly and monthly luck pillars.

11. The hour pillar gives additional pillars available for combinations and clashes; this can affect the final outcome of a person to be either weak or strong.

12. A day without the hour will give the rough element strength of the day.

13. Only a few hours may result in weak/strong element.

14. Otherwise, not much change will occur.

15. Your luck pillars will not be too badly influenced by the hour impact.

16. Except for minor yearly and chart clash or harms that may occur. But these are minor as your general luck will not alter too much.

17. This is why we can still analyse a person's luck fairly well even if you do not provide the hour pillar.

18. Just check out some of the masters who had done case study of famous people, you will noticed that they do it just with the date of birth. They don't even apply any location factor.

19. Ba Zi has designed to compensate from the lack of the hour pillar.

20. Thus with or without the hour of birth, a person's chart can still be charted out. Just that with the hour pillar, your forecast will be more accurate.

21. This is why we find no need to apply location into the Ba Zi. Just use your local time and it should be okay.

22. One must always remember that a Ba Zi is supposed to be a heavenly GIVEN chart of what kind of luck you are supposed to have assuming your environment remains constant.

23. This means it does not consider education, your house (earth luck), people around you, your career etc.

24. However, in real life, how can you expect your environment to be the same all the time.

25. Your luck is always being altered by your house luck, people around you, and your career.

26. Let me give you some example:-

27. a.) Given a pair of twins with the exact date and time of birth. One has primary education and one has a doctorate degree. Which you think will have better life. Most likely the one with a doctorate degree.
    b.) Given a same pair of twins. One stays in US and one stays in IRAQ. Which will you think will have a better life. Again most likely US as it is more stable and peaceful, as compared to a war torn country such as IRAQ.

28. Given two persons:-

29. Person A has the 10-year luck favourable to him, but he stays in a house with entrapped Feng Shui and death suitability to the home.

30. Person B has the 10-year luck unfavourable to him, but he says in a house with excellent Feng Shui and prosperity suitability to the home.

31. The Person B will have actually a much better luck then person A. Cos, a person's earth luck has been ADVERSELY impacted which supercedes his Ba Zi luck.

32. Therefore Ba Zi is NOT a good tool to forecast all past events with 100% accuracy. There are other divinity tools in the Chinese culture to do so.

33. What it can do is give you a forecast of potential pitfalls allowing you to maximise your luck by avoiding the bad period.

34. Many modern practitioners/Masters, try to make you think that Ba Zi can give you an accurate assessment of your past and future events.

35. How is this possible, if the concept is only supposed to provide you with a heavenly given luck?

36. My advice to you is to leave the hour field as " unknown or unaltered" as it is NOT totally compulsory to so.

37. 

[Cecil Lee]

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